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(4 hours ago)Orby Wrote: Well. In this case the rules have changed 
The rules are, you are either with us. Or against us. Pakistan is fine for now. Kim or whatever incarnation it's called likes Basketball so he is fine for now
Iran is not on side and against us. Hence the need to pound them.
It's so simple, yet effective for 100 years. You just keep pounding them. Then, if necessary let them turn on themselves, example Iraq or Syria. While the natives are fighting and killing themselves, they aren't causing trouble overseas. It's so simple and works every time.
Not quite sure who this "us" is Orby...
And i think the UK has made its postition plainly clear where war with Iran is concerned.
After all, our help was not wanted or required.
As to it being so simple, not in the slightest.
Pakistan is the epitome of an Islamic republic.
Just a fact...
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(4 hours ago)andy06shake Wrote: Not quite sure who this "us" is Orby...
And i think the UK has made its postition plainly clear where war with Iran is concerned.
After all, our help was not wanted or required.
As to it being so simple, not in the slightest.
Pakistan is the epitome of an Islamic republic.
Just a fact... The good old Hindus in India are going to keep the Packies occupied forthe forseeable future. That problem is taken care of.
Then you've only got the Middle East and the Gulf plus horn of Africa to really get concerned about. I'll be honest, I'm guessing the whole affair will continue with native killing native turning the guns increasingly on themselves. I believe the Kurd and also the Arab withi what right now is known as Iran can be used effectively to keep the Mullahs occupied once the nukes extracted. Divide and rule works wonders with these natives. Just look at how effective it's been in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, the natives can't help attacking their own breed, be it a religious of cultural difference that divides them. Iraq, Syria, Lebanon are no concern today, bar a few joke missiles they come up with in their cave like labs. Iran will be turned, on itself. Just the same, if any of the natives get a little creative and manage to fire something outside their borders then IDF or USA drones will just take care of them. No western casualties, no boots on the ground, just drones circling above taking out anything that might threaten TPTB and F35's that the natives can't even see coming when needed. Works right now splendidly, expect the same for Iran.
“If we believe a thing to be bad, and if we have a right to prevent it, it is our duty to try to prevent it and damn the consequences.”
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Quote: President Donald Trump on Tuesday (16 June) attempted to deflect questions about the content of his purported deal to end his war with Iran by promising to read the text of the deal to journalists “in a couple of days.”
Speaking at a bilateral meeting with United Arab Emirates President Mohamed bin Zayed at the G7 summit in France, Trump said he was waiting for a “formal setting” to release the text of the full deal.
“I'll not only release it — I'll probably have a press conference and read it to you word by word, so that the press covers it accurately,” Trump said before comparing the as-yet unseen text to the detailed nuclear agreement reached between Iran and the five permanent U.N. Security Council members during the Obama administration.
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(4 hours ago)govshill2 Wrote: [Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M848BZ_jjmo]
Well, at least he should manage to be able to read one and a half pages without falling asleep......
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(4 hours ago)govshill2 Wrote: Trump says $300B fund to rebuild Iran is ‘Fake News’

Vance has already confirmed the 300b, noting it would come from Gulf nations. Probably a shell game where we give them more aid and it goes to the fund so it doesn’t look like us paying for it.
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(3 hours ago)CriticalStinker Wrote: Vance has already confirmed the 300b, noting it would come from Gulf nations. Probably a shell game where we give them more aid and it goes to the fund so it doesn’t look like us paying for it. AI Overview
The $300 billion in question refers to a proposed reconstruction and private investment fund tied to the U.S.-Iran peace and ceasefire framework. Where it comes from:- Gulf Nations: The funding is structured as an international investment package rather than direct U.S. government cash. U.S. officials, including Vice President JD Vance, have stated the package is expected to be funded by the Gulf Coast Coalition (the Gulf Cooperation Council).
- Private Investment: Reports from Reuters indicate the fund contains no direct government grants and is financed by global companies across the Americas, Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, primarily targeting energy and infrastructure.
How it is accessed:- Conditional upon compliance: Iran only gains access to this investment capital if it strictly adheres to a new framework, including total nuclear disarmament and maintaining peace.
- Official U.S. Stance: The Trump administration has denied that Washington is directly paying this money to Iran, categorizing any notion of a direct U.S. payout as "fake news".
Quote:Looks like Trump has everything he wanted. The world is a safer place. 
I previously posted the above yesterday.
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(3 hours ago)Knows Wrote: AI Overview
The $300 billion in question refers to a proposed reconstruction and private investment fund tied to the U.S.-Iran peace and ceasefire framework. Where it comes from:- Gulf Nations: The funding is structured as an international investment package rather than direct U.S. government cash. U.S. officials, including Vice President JD Vance, have stated the package is expected to be funded by the Gulf Coast Coalition (the Gulf Cooperation Council).
- Private Investment: Reports from Reuters indicate the fund contains no direct government grants and is financed by global companies across the Americas, Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, primarily targeting energy and infrastructure.
How it is accessed:- Conditional upon compliance: Iran only gains access to this investment capital if it strictly adheres to a new framework, including total nuclear disarmament and maintaining peace.
- Official U.S. Stance: The Trump administration has denied that Washington is directly paying this money to Iran, categorizing any notion of a direct U.S. payout as "fake news".
Sounds similar to what I said, except it notes private companies financing the fund. Again, there are plenty of shell games that can happen there to blur the line between direct government spending such as tax breaks to the private companies.
These are the same companies who will move headquarters to avoid taxes. The only way they’d be on board without government assistance is if it was investments.
Im willing to humor that as a possibility, but oil companies tend to fade conflict zones, and Israel is still a wild card on all of this. There’s plenty of oil in the rest of the Gulf and the US. It’s not like it would be cheap to set up shop in Iran, which is still a dictatorship. Some of those have learned their lesson there before.
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Quote:Iran demands Israel pull out of Lebanon before signing Trump deal
Sounds reasonable...
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(3 hours ago)CriticalStinker Wrote: Vance has already confirmed the 300b, noting it would come from Gulf nations. Probably a shell game where we give them more aid and it goes to the fund so it doesn’t look like us paying for it.
Seems many were/are thinking it's coming from The U.S. in some form.
Loads of MSM scoop-slinging on the subject.
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(2 hours ago)govshill2 Wrote: Seems many were/are thinking it's coming from The U.S. in some form.
Loads of MSM scoop-slinging on the subject.

Spending money is a national pastime, and one of the few things both parties agree on enthusiastically.
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