Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

Who said anything about "looking good"? 

Trump has made himself look a fool with his boasts and Putin is just adding to it by playing him for all to see.

My point, so what? Trump looked like a fool, who cares in the larger picture.... It's gone on too long, there's too much bad blood and emotions, neither Putin nor Zelensky wants peace, it's the legit REALITY

BUT

There is still no Ukrainian, Zelensky, NATO East plan to win the war, hell, there's no plan to take back lost territory 3 plus years in

And the only strategy Zelensky and NATO East have had for 3 years is to spend billions and receive over-the-top military arms and munitions and pretend that Ukraine sending a few drone waves will beat Russia into submission, where they leave Ukraine to never return.

Yay! Let's do more of that.... FTN

America has more urgent issues domestically. When and if NATO East gets its teat in the wringer, the American MIC will eagerly rejoin the fray forthwith. Respectfully, if NATO East and Ukraine can't hold down the fort till then, we spent way too much money on NATO these past 70 years.

NATO Europe had one job: to keep the Soviet Union/Russia from running amok.

Instead of showing strength in the region, maintaining a decent standing army, and a defensive posture, it relied solely on Uncle Sam's muscle.

All the while becoming partially energy independent, on, guess who? Russia Russia Russia

But yeah, Trump's a fool, if so, he ain't the only one...

[Oldcarpy2]

"There is still no Ukrainian, Zelensky, NATO East plan to win the war, hell, there's no plan to take back lost territory 3 plus years in And the only strategy Zelensky and NATO East have had for 3 years is to spend billions and receive over-the-top military arms and munitions and pretend that Ukraine sending a few drone waves will beat Russia into submission, where they leave Ukraine to never return."

I think Ukraine's aim is to avoid being destroyed as a sovereign nation and coming under the iron rule of Putin.

Can't see what is wrong with that.

"And the only strategy Zelensky and NATO East have had for 3 years is to spend billions and receive over-the-top military arms and munitions and pretend that Ukraine sending a few drone waves will beat Russia into submission, where they leave Ukraine to never return."

I think that they are doing a way bit more than using a few drones.

[putnam6]

If true, this sucks... hearing elsewhere Russia has updated thier Isklanders 

[Kurokage]

My point, so what? Trump looked like a fool, who cares in the larger picture.... It's gone on too long, there's too much bad blood and emotions, neither Putin nor Zelensky wants peace, it's the legit REALITY

BUT

There is still no Ukrainian, Zelensky, NATO East plan to win the war, hell, there's no plan to take back lost territory 3 plus years in

And the only strategy Zelensky and NATO East have had for 3 years is to spend billions and receive over-the-top military arms and munitions and pretend that Ukraine sending a few drone waves will beat Russia into submission, where they leave Ukraine to never return.

Yay! Let's do more of that.... FTN

America has more urgent issues domestically. When and if NATO East gets its teat in the wringer, the American MIC will eagerly rejoin the fray forthwith. Respectfully, if NATO East and Ukraine can't hold down the fort till then, we spent way too much money on NATO these past 70 years.

NATO Europe had one job: to keep the Soviet Union/Russia from running amok.

Instead of showing strength in the region, maintaining a decent standing army, and a defensive posture, it relied solely on Uncle Sam's muscle.

All the while becoming partially energy independent, on, guess who? Russia Russia Russia

But yeah, Trump's a fool, if so, he ain't the only one...

So you think it's ok to just sit back and let Putin attack and steal land from Ukraine?
Zelensky and the Ukrainian people are doing all they can to stop Putin's relentless invasion of their country after agreements in 94' with Putin to insure it's security.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-got-...now-173481

NATO is a defence agreement between its members, so can't go marching into a war. The financial support and arms have come from both the US and European countries of both members and non-members of NATO which appears the only way to help without an all out War.
America chose to be the worlds police force and lead NATO after the end of WW2 in it's fight against communism, and by doing so has helped keep it's position as the worlds leading super power (you can't deny that). Trump being played by Putin, and his sudden withdrawal from that 'position' is destabilising that balance.

[putnam6]

Respectfully, I despise the hell out of Putin, but it doesn't mean it's wise to fight him continuously in Ukraine without a coherent and realistic plan to win the war. A war plan THAT expels Putin from Ukraine. 

 Ukrainian, Zelensky, NATO East HAVE no plan to win the war, hell, and there's no plan to take back lost territory 3 plus years in. 

And the only strategy Zelensky and NATO East have had for 3 years is to spend billions and receive over-the-top military arms and munitions and pretend that Ukraine sending a few drone waves will beat Russia into submission, where they leave Ukraine to never return.

Yay! Let's do more of that....

If Ukraine's air defenses are persistently compromised and Russia's enhanced missiles and drones can easily attack in force, as it appears they can, crafting realistic, effective battlefield strategies to counteract the forceful annexation will grow more daunting with each passing day.

REALITY

[pianopraze]

My point, so what? Trump looked like a fool, who cares in the larger picture.... It's gone on too long, there's too much bad blood and emotions, neither Putin nor Zelensky wants peace, it's the legit REALITY

But yeah, Trump's a fool, if so, he ain't the only one...

Trump just said Putin has gone ‘CRAZY’… caps his: Twitter link

I've always had a very good relationship with Vladimir Putin of Russia, but something has happened to him. He has gone absolutely CRAZY!

 Basically backs up everything you just said.

[RickyD]

Now things are starting to crack...will they finally decide its better to recognize the independence of the easter regions and save some of Ukraine...or will they just keep feeding their people to a meat grinder of arty and bombs and drones until nothing is left. It is obvious that nothing lost will be retured...and Russia seems adamant that Ukraine will agree to giving up the 4 regions in the east as well as no NATO. The only thing that could or would turn this war for them is if the US lead NATO into the fray and that is a no win for everyone. 

[Kurokage]

"And the only strategy Zelensky and NATO East have had for 3 years is to spend billions and receive over-the-top military arms and munitions and pretend that Ukraine sending a few drone waves will beat Russia into submission, where they leave Ukraine to never return."

You need to remember that this isn't NATO. NATO is a defence agreement, nothing more. The countries suppling Ukraine arms aren't all just NATO members.
You and RickyD have also seemed to have missed just how much Russia has also lost to the 'meat grinder' in this war, and how much this 3 year war has hurt it's forces and economy. It isn't all one sided, even though Russia can't absorb far more than Ukraine, Putin has put himself in a position were it's going to be really difficult to back down, and if he does, it will be his end.

[putnam6]

Trump just said Putin has gone ‘CRAZY’… caps his: Twitter link
 Basically backs up everything you just said.

Yeah, I saw that, we have very little clue what's occurring in the Kremlin, but it's easy to think certain factions may want to punish Ukraine hard, if those factions have Putin's ear or his Яички. 

Everything Ive read suggests once Trump has completely given up finding a peaceful solution, America will still "sell" weapons to Ukraine or through NATO member nations to Ukraine, it just won't be anywhere near the previous levels. 

People getting pissy because he hasn't stopped a 3-year-old war after just 150 days in office, shows how unrealistically and illogically "normal' people think and regurgitate sound political sound bites as solid factual declarations. If you watch what is happening militarily, it will highlight what will happen politically.

If Russian missiles can beat Patriot air defense systems consistently, it's all over. Unless we want to get into how we can better manufacture and replace systems repeatedly.

Yes, I know Ukraine received some refurbished decommissioned Patriot systems from Israel; some unconfirmed accounts suggest those may have already been compromised.

Here's where Putin is even more dangerous: even with Russia holding the upper hand, he may feel the need to punish and degrade the Ukrainian military and the will of the Ukrainian people. Putin has to "win" this SMO, and the spoils of his victory must be obvious and exploited. 

Once that starts in earnest, there will be no diplomacy or peace talks. He will make sure the captured provinces will be secure and productive areas, he will remove anything that poses a threat to that end goal.

[putnam6]

You need to remember that this isn't NATO. NATO is a defence agreement, nothing more. The countries suppling Ukraine arms aren't all just NATO members.
You and RickyD have also seemed to have missed just how much Russia has also lost to the 'meat grinder' in this war, and how much this 3 year war has hurt it's forces and economy. It isn't all one sided, even though Russia can't absorb far more than Ukraine, Putin has put himself in a position were it's going to be really difficult to back down, and if he does, it will be his end.

You need to remember Ukraine needs real, tangible, and consistent MILITARY AID, not thier pensions paid or more blankets, hugs, and well wishes. Zelensky needs Patriot missiles and RADAR systems, artillery shells, etc., not pasties for his nipples

By and large, the military support is from NATO nations.

Grok will give you reams of information that nobody with a life will read, LOL, but I did

by asking 1 question and a related follow-up.

Which countries are still supplying Ukraine militarily, and to what extent?

How much military aid is from non-NATO nations?

https://x.com/i/grok/share/wj0xcwylHSuWzEgtoXCGwZTGR
https://x.com/i/grok/share/HYNULZCVDLZ8WTknyXYQC01y6

 

 
Scale: Non-NATO military aid is minimal compared to NATO contributions (over €100 billion from NATO allies and EU institutions). Non-NATO countries contribute less than 1% of total military aid, with Australia being the largest non-NATO donor.
Nature of Aid: Non-NATO aid focuses on non-lethal equipment (e.g., protective gear, ambulances), training, or indirect support (e.g., South Korea’s artillery shells via the U.S.). Exceptions like UAE’s APCs are rare.

 
Total Non-NATO Military Aid (Estimated)

• Jan 2022–June 2024: Approximately €0.82 billion from non-NATO countries (Australia: €0.74 billion, New Zealand: €0.06 billion, South Korea and Switzerland: €0.01 billion each, others negligible). This is a small fraction of the €118.5 billion in total military aid from all donors, dominated by NATO countries (e.g., U.S.: €51.6 billion, Germany: €17.7 billion).
  
• 2025 Updates: Specific 2025 pledges from non-NATO countries are sparse. An X post from May 2025 mentions Ireland (€100 million) as a non-NATO EU member providing military aid, but this is unverified and not included in major trackers. No new packages from Australia, South Korea, Japan, or New Zealand are confirmed for 2025, though their participation in the Ukraine Defense Contact Group suggests ongoing commitment.
  

 
 
Summary
Non-NATO nations have pledged approximately €0.82 billion in military aid to Ukraine from January 2022 to June 2024, with Australia (€0.74 billion) as the primary contributor, followed by New Zealand (€0.06 billion), and minimal direct aid from South Korea and Switzerland. Japan’s role is mostly financial, indirectly supporting military needs. In 2025, no major new non-NATO military aid packages are confirmed, though countries like Ireland may contribute modestly (€100 million, unverified). Non-NATO aid remains a small fraction of total support, and its expansion is unlikely to offset potential NATO reductions if the peace process fails, given these countries’ limited capacities.