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Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war
(03-25-2025, 12:24 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I just don't see Putin giving up anything considering he has always wanted to 'free' all the other countries surrounding Iran. Will Putin just give up all his desires of expansion and conquering the free world or will he come to the reality that he has no choice because his military hasn't nor ever will accomplish it's main goal of taking all of Ukraine and he now needs a 'saving face' way of getting out of this war?

Right or wrong I rarely take Putin's public words as anything but opening salvos to negotiations, of course, he is going to say he wants to free Iran's neighbors Iran is a major customer of Russia. Saying and doing aren't always hand in hand

Which country is he going to "free"

Afghanistan?  LOL, they are better equipped now than they were in the 80s and the USSR couldn't take them then.

Iraq? unlikely
Pakistan? is even less likely
Turkey? No way 
Azerbaijan? would seemingly be the only country potentially ripe for Putin's "freeing" process
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(03-25-2025, 12:45 PM)sahgwa Wrote: This is good news, but what I wonder is, you read Russia and USA agree to no bombing of energy infrastructure, but Ukraine recently bombed Russian oil facilities, which is energy, so will Ukraine agree?

What nobody is talking about is Russia sending drones into densely populated areas (yesterday afternoon) with the first drone breaking into people's homes via their windows, and a second drone entering their living space and shooting at them, including children. Check out Russian drone strikes in Sumy.
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(03-25-2025, 12:47 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Right or wrong I rarely take Putin's public words as anything but opening salvos to negotiations, of course, he is going to say he wants to free Iran's neighbors Iran is a major customer of Russia. Saying and doing aren't always hand in hand

Which country is he going to "free"

Afghanistan?  LOL, they are better equipped now than they were in the 80s and the USSR couldn't take them then.

Iraq? unlikely
Pakistan? is even less likely
Turkey? No way 
Azerbaijan? would seemingly be the only country potentially ripe for Putin's "freeing" process

When Putin wants to "free" a Country it usually involves a lot of "deading" and the installation of a Puppet.
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(03-25-2025, 01:00 PM)quintessentone Wrote: What nobody is talking about is Russia sending drones into densely populated areas (yesterday afternoon) with the first drone breaking into people's homes via their windows, and a second drone entering their living space and shooting at them, including children. Check out Russian drone strikes in Sumy.

That is sad and I wish it hadn't happened, however it was 2 months ago (what search engine is finding) ; I am trying to find news about ceasefires being attempted, and being adhered to or not. 

Here's a whataboutism. Ukrainian drone kills civilians in Moscow last week.  

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukr...025-03-11/

MOSCOW, March 11 (Reuters) - Ukraine on Tuesday launched its biggest ever drone attack on Moscow and the surrounding region, killing at least three employees of a meat warehouse, injuring 17 others and causing a short shutdown at the Russian capital's four airports, Russian officials said.

Neither of these things are the point i am trying to make.  Will Ukraine hold to ceasefire agreements when it is not being mentioned? Its just USA RUSSIA blablabla.  Meanwhile Ukraine is being prodded from behind by EU to keep up the Money Laundering War. 

I am just here trying to find info about both sides hopefully ending this stupid conflict,  instead of rehashing boring one sided propaganda.
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(03-25-2025, 01:00 PM)quintessentone Wrote: What nobody is talking about is Russia sending drones into densely populated areas (yesterday afternoon) with the first drone breaking into people's homes via their windows, and a second drone entering their living space and shooting at them, including children. Check out Russian drone strikes in Sumy.

Russia has been deliberately targeting civilians virtually every day since the beginning of it's Wa...I mean, SMO.

Like, War crimes.
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"I am just here trying to find info about both sides hopefully ending this stupid conflict, instead of rehashing boring one sided propaganda."

Which you just did?
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(03-25-2025, 12:47 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Right or wrong I rarely take Putin's public words as anything but opening salvos to negotiations, of course, he is going to say he wants to free Iran's neighbors Iran is a major customer of Russia. Saying and doing aren't always hand in hand

Which country is he going to "free"

Afghanistan?  LOL, they are better equipped now than they were in the 80s and the USSR couldn't take them then.

Iraq? unlikely
Pakistan? is even less likely
Turkey? No way 
Azerbaijan? would seemingly be the only country potentially ripe for Putin's "freeing" process

Call up a map of the countries south of Russia, start eastward and south starting at Kazakhstan and work your way south and back northward of Iran.

Uzbekistan?
Turkmenistan?
Azerbijan?
Georgia?
 
Quote:Kazakhstan’s statehood is allegedly a “gift” from Russia since it never had a state before. Medvedev went further and stated that it was the Russians who settled (i.e colonized) Kazakhstan before the Kazakhs did. Moreover, Kazakhstan’s recent resettlement programs amount to a form of genocide of the Russians. Therefore “there will be no order until the Russians get there.”  Others maintain that since Moscow bailed out the Tokayev government in early 2022 by sending Russian forces there, Kazakhstan’s subsequent objections and opposition to Russia’s war in Ukraine represent a betrayal of its obligations towards Russia and “disloyalty.”  Meanwhile Patrushev’s office produces threats based on alleged Western efforts to incite Kazakhstan to conduct anti-Russian ethnic policies and threaten the Russian population there.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/article...29197.html

Does Russia have a historical toehold in every one of those countries?
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(03-25-2025, 01:09 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Russia has been deliberately targeting civilians virtually every day since the beginning of it's Wa...I mean, SMO.

Like, War crimes.

Well, thank goodness nobody was killed, however one adult and one child are still in hospital, in stable condition, as is reported. War crimes indeed.
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(03-25-2025, 01:11 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: "I am just here trying to find info about both sides hopefully ending this stupid conflict, instead of rehashing boring one sided propaganda."

Which you just did?

So it is okay for quintessent one to insert a random drone strike done by Russia, apropos of nothing,  but not okay for me to insert a random drone strike done by Ukraine, merely in response? 
That is one sided!

I shudder....

And here we are , rehashing, and all pertinent points will be forgotten about, as usual.

Good job! wow.
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Let me spell it country simple, since folks seem to have trouble with reading.
Thus far, we have only heard of USA and Russia talking, and agreeing to even attempt a ceasefire between Ukraine and Russia, we have not heard from Ukraine, and meanwhile , energy infrastructure keeps getting hit.

Understand?
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