Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[Oldcarpy2]

Well yes and so does NATO. It's strategic importance there is obvious just from the map. Militarily and economically. But I disagree with you that the City is ready to just give it up without putting any pressure on Trump to make sure it doesn't happen.

Ukraine is not joining NATO any time soon.

[UltraBudgie]

Of course. Ochakiv is owned completely by Ukraine. No NATO base there at all!

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2022/...-base.html
https://breakingdefense.com/2019/07/us-u...n-warships

[Oldcarpy2]

From your first source:

"Is it true that Russia destroyed a NATO base in the Ukrainian city of Ochakiv? No, it's not true. Not a single NATO facility has ever existed in Ukraine. The Ochakiv naval base belongs to Ukraine, not NATO. While it was reported that Russians shelled the base on more than one occasion, a video of its purported destruction contains unrelated old images from Syria."

[sahgwa]

Friends, we are back at confusing official NATO membership for NATO NGO consulting. My family worked in Ukraine and Poland. One has official NATO bases the other has Ukrainian bases full of 'consultants' and 'instructors'. It's potayto puhtahtoh, essentially- ie all of the influence but none of the perks

[putnam6]

No way should Ukraine give up a city such as Odessa thats not currently under Russian control. 

Ive heard a 10-kilometer-wide demilitarized zone on the border being discussed but this would mean Russia gives up much of the annexed Eastern oblasts

[putnam6]

FWIW

Zelensky seems placated, now the onus is on Putin and the Russians...
Don't be surprised by thier first offer..




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BREAKING: US State Department says that Ukraine has accepted a 30-day ceasefire if Russia complies



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Joint statement from the U.S. and Ukraine: • Ukraine ready to accept 30-day ceasefire, subject to Russian acceptance • U.S. agrees to resume intelligence sharing and security assistance to Ukraine • U.S. and Ukraine agree to conclude minerals deal ASAP

[sahgwa]

Hm good news but no news, also. 'We agree to talk more'.  Let's see if we can fast-track this with Russia. We being USA USA USA. lol

[Oldcarpy2]

Over to Putin.

If he's not interested in peace, will DJT and JD shout at him?

[sahgwa]

MR PUTINCHOFF E-RECT THIS WALL!

[guyfriday]

This is a going to be tough, Ukraine did that drone attack on Moscow earlier today. You can't just ask for a cease-fire right after attacking your opponent's home. If Putin takes this up it will show the world that both Russia and the US are the only ones that really wanted peace to begin with, and Ukraine just wanted blood for some reason, while the EU and NATO-US just wanted laundered money. 

I hope this war is over, but even if it is I feel that certain members of NATO-US will try to start something else. I mean look at what the EU is trying to do in Romania.