Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

Babylon Bee with another hot take....

https://babylonbee.com/news/europe-pledg...-a-sidecar

The momentous occasion marks the first time Europe has done anything on behalf of NATO, though they stopped short of letting Ukraine into the treaty organization. "You take out the entire Russian army with that BMW R75 and we'll talk," Chancellor Scholz said as he ruffled Zelenskyy's hair. "Now get out of here, you little rascal!"
At publishing time, President Zelenskyy was called ungrateful after he said the three panzer tanks and Nazi motorcycle were not enough to keep Russia at bay.

[Oldcarpy2]

Babylon Bee with another hot take....

https://babylonbee.com/news/europe-pledg...-a-sidecar
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Please, be serious?

The rest of the World is watching as the US is tearing itself apart and trying to take Europe with it.

Hilarious, ain't it?

Meanwhile, those chainsaw cuts in your military budgets, whilst most others are increasing theirs?

[sahgwa]

" the US is tearing itself apart"  ?!?! 



AHAHHAHAHHAHHA 

[Oldcarpy2]

"So perhaps we can all be cognizant of trying to take a step back and think about the universe and being human first and foremost.
OK carry on."

Stopping targeting Ukrainian civilians might be a start?

[Oldcarpy2]

"" the US is tearing itself apart" ?!?! "

Yes. With Musk's chainsaw.

[chr0naut]

Maybe NATO too, for a different reason:
source, trust me bro on Twitter, so use salt..

So, Trump is trying to start World War 3 if he doesn't get the Lithium to stabilize his psychosis?

:P

[putnam6]

I am listening to Bill Murray on Rogan and it's really good.
I am always saying on this thread I am not partisan. I didn't vote from Trump , I don't support Ukraine or Russia. They should both just stop. Stop begging for money and avoiding peace talks. And stop pushing soldiers invading and taking territory. 
So I will offer this from the podcast paraphrasing which I like.
Politics is stupid and propaganda is stupid and tribal and we need to take a step back and just think about life, as a whole, not 'our side' our political crap.
If Hunter S Thompson can sit down calmly with Nixon and discuss football like friends, then we need to all learn distance.
The problem source is mainly the entrenched power sources that profit off the division, the corporations and the politicians.
In the USA we don't get any break. No break at all, every 2 years it's midterms, and then it's elections. And it's always squawking at you from the internet or radio or TV.
So perhaps we can all be cognizant of trying to take a step back and think about the universe and being human first and foremost. 
OK carry on.

FWIW I'd love for Ukraine to get Donbas Lughantz and Crimea back with full reparations but Ive known from the beginning it was unlikely to happen. Its a complete numbers game and it all is too the Russians advantage

 Im surprised it's lasted this far.

[sahgwa]

FWIW I'd love for Ukraine to get Donbas Lughantz and Crimea back with full reparations but Ive known from the beginning it was unlikely to happen. Its a complete numbers game and it all is too the Russians advantage

 Im surprised it's lasted this far.

Russia has a lot of incompetence and corruption in their military, with all the gear failing and theft and whatnot, but they have been holding back their full power, as it's not total war.  I think they are trying to exercise constraint.  If Russia was really trying then Ukraine would not exist, but I don't think Russia wants to set off World War 3.

[Oldcarpy2]

"but they have been holding back their full power, as it's not total war. I think they are trying to exercise constraint. "

Like, what "full power"?

No air superiority, decimated and withdrawn Black Sea fleet?

So they are just throwing waves of men into a meat grinder because they don't have to because they could do better? But are holding back?

Wow.

[chr0naut]

It doesn't matter how many Ukrainians trust Zelensky. I wrote it a hundred times already on ATS. I will write it one more time, maybe I will get through... to the wall.

According to the Ukrainian constitution (and it's like this in many other European countries) if the country is invaded, the martial law is declared. The martial law automatically postpones the elections. Any elections. You cannot organize elections during the martial law. It's not up to a debate. It's unconstitutional. It's illegal. Any elections organized during the martial law are not legally binding.

Since you're obviously biased regarding Ukraine, I will explain it further using the example of my country. We have a similar constitution. It forbids organizing the elections during the martial law. The presidential elections are planned in May. If (God forbid but I'm talking theoretically only) Russia attacked Poland let's say in March or April, the martial law would be declared and the elections planned for May would be postponed until 90 days after lifting the martial law. The current president would stay in office till that time, the same goes for the parliament and the local authorities.

And it wouldn't matter how many Poles, if any, would support the current president or parliament. It's irrelevant. The president's personal whims would be irrelevant too. The martial law means no elections here. Point. There remains nothing to discuss here. This is why Ukraine needs at least a ceasefire to organize elections.

Zelensky was elected on 21 April 2019. Assuming a 4 year term, that means he is only into his second term, which is hardly dictatorial. And the election was a free and fair election, not like the ones in Russia where opponents to Putin die suspiciously (Aleksei Navalny, Yevgeny Prigozhin, Sergei Yushenkov, Anna Politkovskaya, Aleksandr Litvinenko, Natalya Estemirova, Sergei Magnitsky and Boris Nemtsov).

Additionally, Russia under Putin has taken military actions against former Soviet, and then sovereign states (Georgia, Moldovoa, Tajicstan, Chechnya and now Ukraine). Putin has a history of aggressively prosecuting wars that expand the size of the domain under his control.

Currently, Putin is enjoying his fifth consecutive term of office. He has been either the President of the Russian Federation or the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation (different titles of office) since 1999, a period of 26 years. He has had the Russian Constitution changed to allow him to remain in power until 2036.

Now that is a dictator!