Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

It seems that this show was an orchestrated political mugging.

And we have the unelected non US citizen Musk waiting to benefit massively from a rare earth deal.

Which stinks to high Heaven.

There is no rare earth deal... it's nyet go, which supposedly pleases Putin who knew American interests in western Ukraine would have been very limiting for Russia.

[Oldcarpy2]

No deal - yet.

Does Musk not worry you?

[quintessentone]

There is no rare earth deal... it's nyet go, which supposedly pleases Putin who knew American interests in western Ukraine would have been very limiting for Russia.

Russia offers U.S. rare earth minerals deal.

In a state TV interview on Monday, Putin said he was ready to "offer" resources to American partners in joint projects, including mining in Russia's "new territories" - a reference to parts of eastern Ukraine that Russia has occupied since launching a full-scale invasion three years ago.
The proposal could also see the two countries collaborating on aluminium extraction and supply to the US to stabilise prices, he added.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gdx7488g5o

This may be what the Trump/Vance ambush is really about.

[Oldcarpy2]

Musk was probably in the mix, too.

[FlyersFan]

It seems that this show was an orchestrated political mugging.

And we have the unelected non US citizen Musk waiting to benefit massively from a rare earth deal.

Sorry but incorrect on both counts.  And your statement contradicts itself.

It was not an orchestrated political mugging.   Zelenskyy dragged the negotiations out into public and insulted the Vice President in front of cameras.  It was amature hour for him.   These kinds of spats happen all the time in private during negotiations but he pulled it out in front of everyone.  He was told that America wouldn't discuss any kind of security deal and that it was just a deal for rare earth minerals.   But Zelenskyy brought up security deals and American boots on the ground there, which will never happen.   This is totally on Zelenskyy.

And Musk is indeed an United States Citizen and has been for 22 years.

If he benefits from the deal ... that's fine.  A lot of American citizens will.  The entire country will.

Musk can't be a vulture waiting on the deal to benefit himself, and at the same time be part of the White House orchestrating something to destroy the deal.   That is contradictory and makes no sense.

[FlyersFan]

aargh arrgh stop none of them are good guys 

Correct.

Russia government is the bad guy.  They invaded and slaughtered and illegally took over Ukrainian land.  Putin is insane.

Russians are the bad guys.   They are indoctrinated and are in a nationalistic frenzy, feeding the invasion machine.

Ukraine Government is the bad guy.  Corrupt to the core.  Zelenskyy is indeed corrupt and an amature.   They sucked up billions in our aid money, giving us nothing in return, and 'loosing' billions which went to 'pay pensions of government officials and keep the Ukraine economy floating'.

Ukraine people are the victims ... corrupt Ukraine government and Russian invaders.

American people are the stooges .... buying into the hype that we have to pay hundreds of billions in our tax money to keep a never ending war on the other side of the planet running and a corrupt Ukraine government solvent.  Europe and UK get 'pay back' promises from Ukraine ... but we don't?   That's insane.  Biden just gave it away.  Those billions should have been spent on AMERICANS ... 1/5 of our children go to bed hungry, our schools are failing, and the elderly are quickly becoming the largest homeless population in the country.

[quintessentone]

Musk was probably in the mix, too.

Actually, it appears the Trump cult revolves around co-Prez Musk, Oligarch extraordinare and unelected government chainsaw massacre agent looking at American citizens' private data.

What with Trump alienating trading partners he either needs to invade Greenland or work with Putin now to get lithium for Elon's insatiable need to grow his wealth and without any oversight of where the money is going, Trump can easily skim what he wants off the top. Although, what with Tesla stocks tanking and a worldwide boycott against Elon, I am not sure why he would invest in lithium at this point. So it must be the aluminum, steel and perhaps the small amount of gas in the occupied territory because Trump's trading partners for those materials are looking for other customers.

Has Trump propped up China as a go to trading partner?

[putnam6]

Remember when Obama said Russia was nothing but a big gas station...

watch the video at the link this was in 2014

 MAZE

@mazemoore

This is a narrative busting clip. It shows how ridiculous the claims have become about Putin's ability to expand throughout Europe and the threat he poses to us. "We must stop Putin in Ukraine or he will never stop. America will feel it!"  2014. Russia had already taken Crimea and had moved 30,000 troops to the Ukrainian border. Both sides had even been sporadically firing at each other. Obama is asked if he was wrong about his statement during the 2012 debate in which he mocked Romney for calling Russia our biggest threat. "The 1980's are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. The Cold War has been over for 20 years." Obama explains very clearly that Russia taking Ukraine is not a threat to us. "Russia is a regional power threatening some of its immediate neighbors, not out of strength but out of weakness." Notice how there was no urgency? It wasn't the end of the world then but for some reason it is now. When a peace deal happens, Russia will most likely get a small portion of Ukraine. Our media will claim that Trump gave Putin everything. When Russia took some of Ukraine under Obama's watch, no one even cared.

[putnam6]

Correct.

Russia government is the bad guy.  They invaded and slaughtered and illegally took over Ukrainian land.  Putin is insane.

Russians are the bad guys.   They are indoctrinated and are in a nationalistic frenzy, feeding the invasion machine.

Ukraine Government is the bad guy.  Corrupt to the core.  Zelenskyy is indeed corrupt and an amature.   They sucked up billions in our aid money, giving us nothing in return, and 'loosing' billions which went to 'pay pensions of government officials and keep the Ukraine economy floating'.

Ukraine people are the victims ... corrupt Ukraine government and Russian invaders.

American people are the stooges .... buying into the hype that we have to pay hundreds of billions in our tax money to keep a never ending war on the other side of the planet running and a corrupt Ukraine government solvent.  Europe and UK get 'pay back' promises from Ukraine ... but we don't?   That's insane.  Biden just gave it away.  Those billions should have been spent on AMERICANS ... 1/5 of our children go to bed hungry, our schools are failing, and the elderly are quickly becoming the largest homeless population in the country.

[FlyersFan]

Annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014

In February and March 2014, Russia invaded the Crimean Peninsula, part of Ukraine, and then annexed it. This took place in the relative power vacuum[sup][34][/sup] immediately following the Revolution of Dignity. It marked the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War.

Obama .. to his credit .. didn't go sending billions upon billions of our $$ to Ukraine because of this.
The press didn't go crazy.   Europe didn't go crazy.   Americans didn't go crazy.
The Democrats approved of the fact that the Democrat American president didn't jump in.

Fast forward to 2021.
Russia again invades Ukraine.
Corrupt0crat Biden sends billions and billions of our tax money to corrupt Ukraine government.
(the same corrupt government that the Biden crime family was in cahoots with making a ton of $$).
Ukraine 'loses' much of it.  Refuse to tell us where it went.

2025 Trump is elected and decides to end the 'unending war' and end Americans being robbed.
The left wing press and the left wingers in America and Europe/UK/Canada have melt downs.
They didn't get uptight in 2014 when Obama didn't send money to Ukraine ...
but because it's Trump ending the war they hypocritically go crazy about it.

Absurd partisan bullshit.

I'm not a fan of Trump.  But he's right to end our involvement in funding the unending war that can't be won by Ukraine, and he's right to end our being robbed by the corrupt Ukraine government.   Yes Russia is the bad guy and they shouldn't be able to win ... but that's what is going to happen.  If left wing Europe/UK/Canada don't like it ... THEY can send billions and billions to Ukraine, and troops as well because Ukraine is running out of troops, and keep the war going.  

That's on them.  Leave us out of it.   Just like we stayed out of it when Obama was president in 2014 .. and everyone was just fine with it that time.   Get over the TDS ... it's ridiculous.