Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

Nope, I never felt national patriotic shame about LBJ, or Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Dubya, Barrack, Trump, or Biden. 

Completely understand that other people do there's no right or wrong, I guess it is something my Dad instilled in me from an early age, LOL glad he did. He had a reverence for the office, the position not the person. 

I never felt overtly patriotic pride either, they are just men, with all the flaws and attributes other humans have.  

Don't get me wrong I have my prideful moments but it's more pride from the people, not the Presidents, Reagan's "tear down this wall", was a poignant moment but it was more watching the GP tear it down, it was like my generation did that. 

I had a brief "thats cool" moment of hope watching the Democrats the Clintons and the Gores dancing to Fleetwood Mac's Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow, but we did stop and it wasn't better than before it was average in a different way. 

There was listening to Ray Charles during the Olympics in Atlanta singing Georgia On My Mind, Centennial Olympics while all 100,000 of the people there including all of my immediate family packed in, were singing too, many with glistening eyes.

Watching Muhammad Ali hoist that torch that lit the caldron to start the games, there was a man to be emotional and proudful about.

Of course, 9/11 watching ordinary people go through horrific events and come out on the other side

but even then I rolled my eyes at Dubya's mission accomplished because I knew the stuff wasn't over and it wasn't accomplished.

Im more ashamed of my flaws and failures throughout my life. Don't need to carry the weight of anybody else's bullshit  

Trump isn't me we aren't hive mind insects or the Borg and "we" don't need to be, we are individual people doing the best we can on a planet zooming 26,000 miles an hour through space.

It could be just the DC cherry blossom allergies...right 

[quintessentone]

Negotiations?

Two faced bullying, more like.

One minute Trump is calling Zelensky an unpopular dictator, next he's saying he never said that.

The man's a maggot.

Yeah, strange that Trump can't recall calling Zelensky a dictator, what's up with that? No wonder Vance and Elon have to do most of the talking for Trump now.

By the way, even if the mineral deal went through, any riches gained or robbed from Ukraine do not go to the people, they go to the one company who needs those rare minerals, or actually the lithium, and that would be Tesla. What's the rush to get the minerals now? Get the peace deal first with Putin's agreement and then talk minerals. Something stinks here.

The mineral deal has nothing to do with peace if it did then why is Putin counter offering the minerals, on the occupied territory, to the U.S. and not simply agreeing to a ceasefire? It appears the U.S. officials are being manipulated by Putin and really don't understand the history of the war, nor Putin's actual goals.

The Russian people are also wondering why are they and their family members fighting this war because Putin told them it was the evil West, NATO, and the U.S. All of a sudden the U.S. can be partnered with on a trade deal without Russia agreeing to any security measures? The Russian people rose up at the beginning of this war and 200 people were arrested from the protest. Maybe they will rise up again and call out Putin's BS and topple this dictator once and for all.

Turkiye has always been on Ukraine's side in regards to who owns Crimea and other territories and they look like they are gearing up to send boots on the ground to Ukraine. It's not over till it's over.

What overly vetted Epstein files? What looming recession? What Tesla tanking stocks? What grocery prices? What Trump downward polling numbers? What FAFO MAGA voting regrets? What UFO disclosure? What  government oversight of non-elected people looking at private citizen records? What no fact checking of where the money is going now? What bird flu? What measles outbreak in Texas with the mostly unvax'd and one child dead so far?

[putnam6]

I read a lot of Castaneda and this girl instead of stepping outside of herself and realising she is Trump because we are all each other is too caught up with being in love with herself and her own self importance.
To make it even simpler, her own sadness

Yeah, I disagree, I appreciate their passion, IP knows their stuff, even if we think differently on some points on the Oval Office meeting. 

The main point it didn't help the situation and in reality likely helped Putin. Again he didn't like the minerals deal because it would have interjected American interests directly in the sliver of land he is trying to pound into the mud.

[putnam6]

Sometimes you need to examine the opposing viewpoint.

Right or wrong this is the ammunition Putin uses for Russia's position on Ukraine it's factual and accurate

Now what would happen if China did the same to the government of Mexico?

We'd lose our shit

 
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Richard

@ricwe123 

Here we have Victoria Nuland in 2016, openly testifying before Congress about just how deep the US was in running Ukraine’s government after the 2014 coup. She laid it all out: US advisors embedded in 12 Ukrainian ministries, American-trained police in 18 cities, the US Treasury shutting down 60 Ukrainian banks while shielding depositors’ assets, and a cool $266 million spent on training Ukrainian soldiers. "Unprovoked" 

[quintessentone]

Sometimes you need to examine the opposing viewpoint.

Right or wrong this is the ammunition Putin uses for Russia's position on Ukraine it's factual and accurate

Now what would happen if China did the same to the government of Mexico?

We'd lose our shit

That's after the Trilateral Process left Ukraine without any protection or 'holding any cards' after agreeing to give up all their nuclear capabilities.
 

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Ukraine had the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal on its territory. When Ukrainian-Russian negotiations on removing these weapons from Ukraine appeared to break down in September 1993, the U.S. government engaged in a trilateral process with Ukraine and Russia. The result was the Trilateral Statement, signed in January 1994, under which Ukraine agreed to transfer the nuclear warheads to Russia for elimination. In return, Ukraine received security assurances from the United States, Russia and Britain; compensation for the economic value of the highly-enriched uranium in the warheads (which could be blended down and converted into fuel for nuclear reactors); and assistance from the United States in dismantling the missiles, missile silos, bombers and nuclear infrastructure on its territory. Steven Pifer recounts the history of this unique negotiation and describes the key lessons learned.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-t...r-weapons/

So much for any security measures agreement being kept by Russia.

That's why the U.S. and the U.K. need to make this right by the Ukrainian people.

[Oldcarpy2]

It seems that this show was an orchestrated political mugging.

And we have the unelected non US citizen Musk waiting to benefit massively from a rare earth deal.

Which stinks to high Heaven.

[putnam6]

Speaking of hive mind

[Oldcarpy2]

Hive mind?

Doing the right thing and standing up to bullies?

[putnam6]

That's after the Trilateral Process left Ukraine without any protection or 'holding any cards' after agreeing to give up all their nuclear capabilities.
 
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-t...r-weapons/

So much for any security measures agreement being kept by Russia.

That's why the U.S. and the U.K. need to make this right by the Ukrainian people.

That's a bit of revisionist history, nobody wanted to leave nukes in Ukraine except Ukraine and even they admitted they would need plenty training and equipment safeguards etc. BUT mostly the west was worried abut the security of said nukes

Russia wasn't about to turn over nuclear weapons in such a cavalier way, it's not like selling a bicycle.

[quintessentone]

That's a bit of revisionist history, nobody wanted to leave nukes in Ukraine except Ukraine and even they admitted they would need plenty training and equipment safeguards etc. BUT mostly the west was worried abut the security of said nukes

Russia wasn't about to turn over nuclear weapons in such a cavalier way, it's not like selling a bicycle.

The point is that the Ukrainian people have been betrayed by Russia continuing invasions after agreement to security measures and the U.S. not now guaranteeing security measures after orchestrating the taking away all of the Ukrainian people's 'cards' which ensured their security. No wonder North Korea and almost every other country in the world keeps their nuclear weapons shiny.