Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[sahgwa]

TBH this failure all seems a tad scripted to me. Like Lil Z was not trying at all to come to some agreement with anyone about peace.

With the EU war hawks in the background, and Zelensky being greedy, and not caring about the deaths of his supposed citizens, it's like they really do want more war, and maybe even a world war.  This is not 'a failure of the US to support it's allies'  this WAS and hopefully still is, the USA being the only sane one in the room to stop the fighting instead of holding fundraisers to keep it going.

[putnam6]

A good synopsis of the meeting I agree the whole thing needs to be taken into context, we will see if and how much Zelensky screwed up.

The Spaces on X is blistering with comments UK can think Vance is a c--- but Americans like the guy a lot
 

 
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Richard Hanania

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I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context. When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened. You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument. In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders. For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal. The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere. The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw. Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument. I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this. The relationship with the administration is broken. Ukraine should probably go with new leadership at this point.

[theshadowknows]

We are about to see how solid Zelensky the EU and UK are or are not

And here we are with no more allies. Alone.

[putnam6]

TBH this failure all seems a tad scripted to me. Like Lil Z was not trying at all to come to some agreement with anyone about peace.

With the EU war hawks in the background, and Zelensky being greedy, and not caring about the deaths of his supposed citizens, it's like they really do want more war, and maybe even a world war.  This is not 'a failure of the US to support it's allies'  this WAS and hopefully still is, the USA being the only sane one in the room to stop the fighting instead of holding fundraisers to keep it going.

Yep wheres is the agree button

 

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[putnam6]

And here we are with no more allies. Alone.

I think we will be all right

[Oldcarpy2]

"The Spaces on X is blistering with comments UK can think Vance is a c--- but Americans like the guy a lot"

And therein is your problem.

[putnam6]

"The Spaces on X is blistering with comments UK can think Vance is a c--- but Americans like the guy a lot"

And therein is your problem.

Haha no now it's your problem, Europe's and the UK's taxes will be astronomical to PAY for your and Ukraine's defense

[Oldcarpy2]

I think we will be all right

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"While it beats the majority of its Nato allies on defence in terms of GDP, the US falls behind Poland and Estonia, whose military spending amount to 4.12 per cent and 3.43 per cent of their GDPs, and who each face more immediate threats due to their proximity to Russia's borders.

Meanwhile, every Nato member has upped their defence spending in terms of GDP in the past decade except for the US - whose military budget has dropped slightly, according to Nato figures. ".

Oh, please....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...Trump.html

[putnam6]

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"While it beats the majority of its Nato allies on defence in terms of GDP, the US falls behind Poland and Estonia, whose military spending amount to 4.12 per cent and 3.43 per cent of their GDPs, and who each face more immediate threats due to their proximity to Russia's borders.

Meanwhile, every Nato member has upped their defence spending in terms of GDP in the past decade except for the US - whose military budget has dropped slightly, according to Nato figures. ".

Oh, please....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...Trump.html

I respect to having no allies yeah America will be fine, as for the war tell me again the winning strategy or should we wait 4 years kill thousands more and then negotiate where Russia gets that sliver of Ukraine?

Cause honestly unless you are stupid enough to put European and UK troops in Ukraine the EU AND UK are NOT going to win a conventional war.

You will spend a shit ton of pounds and euros in the process though, lol have at it, Nigel....

[Oldcarpy2]

God. How many times do I have to tell you, there is no winning strategy for Ukraine?

Hello?