Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[boredhere74]

That doesn't translate as "fuck you".

And Texas Bluebonnet?!!!

Means son of a bitch.

[putnam6]

Vance is not a bitch.

He's a total c###.

You may think it but to say it in the Oval Office isn't the way to change hearts and minds. 

Tell me again what is the plan without the US?

Like I said the war will now continue until morale improves

We are about to see how solid Zelensky the EU and UK are or are not

wonder who folds...

 
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OSINTdefender

@sentdefender

According to White House Officials who spoke to CBS News, following the argument in the Oval Office between U.S. President Donald J. Trump, Vice-President JD Vance and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky; the Ukrainian delegation retreated into a nearby room, where they were then told they had to leave the White House by Secretary of State Marco Rubio and National Security Advisor Mike Waltz.

[Oldcarpy2]

There isn't one.

That's the plan.

Under the bus.

Goodbye Free World.

Welcome to Vance/Musk's dystopian future into which Americans are sleepwalking.

[putnam6]

Sounds like Germany will be fighting Russia LOL 



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BREAKING: Germany's Chancellor Scholz says that Ukraine can rely on Germany and Europe

[sahgwa]

Goodbye Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.  *wink wink*  OK no more World War allusions. I don't think it's proper. Also, the Universe listens.

[Oldcarpy2]

Blimey.

This is tragic

Good luck, America.

Musk and Trump are destroying the free World , and the USA.

Sleep on.

[sahgwa]

TBH this failure all seems a tad scripted to me. Like Lil Z was not trying at all to come to some agreement with anyone about peace.

With the EU war hawks in the background, and Zelensky being greedy, and not caring about the deaths of his supposed citizens, it's like they really do want more war, and maybe even a world war.  This is not 'a failure of the US to support it's allies'  this WAS and hopefully still is, the USA being the only sane one in the room to stop the fighting instead of holding fundraisers to keep it going.

[putnam6]

A good synopsis of the meeting I agree the whole thing needs to be taken into context, we will see if and how much Zelensky screwed up.

The Spaces on X is blistering with comments UK can think Vance is a c--- but Americans like the guy a lot
 

 
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Richard Hanania

@RichardHanania

I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context. When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened. You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument. In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders. For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal. The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere. The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw. Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument. I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this. The relationship with the administration is broken. Ukraine should probably go with new leadership at this point.

[putnam6]

TBH this failure all seems a tad scripted to me. Like Lil Z was not trying at all to come to some agreement with anyone about peace.

With the EU war hawks in the background, and Zelensky being greedy, and not caring about the deaths of his supposed citizens, it's like they really do want more war, and maybe even a world war.  This is not 'a failure of the US to support it's allies'  this WAS and hopefully still is, the USA being the only sane one in the room to stop the fighting instead of holding fundraisers to keep it going.

Yep wheres is the agree button

 

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BREAKING: Tom Homan has deported his first Ukrainian.

[putnam6]

And here we are with no more allies. Alone.

I think we will be all right