Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

I feel bad for Zelenskyy.


The disinformation is strong. I read others in this thread like Anna with a more first-hand experience of Russias bullshit trying in vain to explain the martial law is a standard constitutional element in most of Europe, but personality cults have a tendency to be extremely shortsighted. If Trump tweets he's an unelected dictator, then it must be gospel. And the worst thing is the leader of America's personality cult is in Vladamir Putin's personality cult. And for the worst of aspiring Machievellian Prince reasons.

And as ON POINT as Zelenskyy is, he just turned the Trump Cult against him and lost his war. This is all that was needed for American policy to lick Russian boot and assure Ukraine installs the correct Russia aligned puppet government, and ceases all NATO aspirations. And we ALL know Trump NEVER lies, believes really stupid things, or lives in a wacky world of Russia Today delusion.

It's sad to see the words of the ACTUAL dictator Vladamir Putin turning the narrative of our leader. It's now a world where an authoritative mass murderer can start a war of false information and turn the once fairly elected president into the dictator to blame.

How much of a Russian puppet does Trump come off calling the wrong Vladamir a dictator?

Well that's it negotiations are over now...

This is just the first round, sure Trump's upset he is likely seeing how much money has been spent, everybody talks about just the aid packages nobody talks about the logistical costs involved.

LOL and sure Zelenskyy is upset he isn't going to be getting big fat aid packages AFTER the current one. Simply because it is WAS NEVER in America's best interest to throw dollar after dollar down an endless money pit that is Ukraine

[quintessentone]

How so? It's of course not the official position of DI, as our staff here have varying political views, but I personally agree with you. Putin is evil to his core. According to Alexander Litvinenko, who was assassinated by the Russians with polonium-210 in 2006 after defecting to MI6, Putin was responsible for the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings. Putin has no problem bombing residences, schools, and hospitals to seize power.
 
Watching my country support this man and his invasion of Ukraine is beyond sickening to me. I always expected World War III, but I didn't expect the U.S. to be an Axis power.

Maybe it was too harsh a criticism of DI's political landscape because I am looking at the whole global picture and forget that most of DI members are American, and as such, they may just be looking at this from one point of view.

Some are calling the U.S. a declining superpower and as such need to flex some muscle. Your ruler made a promise and it appears he needs to make that happen no matter what the American people want. I am just looking from the outside in, but you have confirmed that he and Elon are actually not fulfilling promises made, or that they really don't understand what the people actually want.

[putnam6]

It's going to be ok Macron has got this...thats the thing it is a LONG past time for Europe to develop its independent and unique strategies for defense. Why didn't France do this 10,15,20 years ago?



Im convinced the UK, France, Germany, and Poland alone could produce a conventional stalemate with Russia all the while backed by American nuclear capabilities.

There is no good reason that the US should PAY so much for this endless fight, let's not forget the aid is still coming into Ukraine, and we are still at a stalemate there is no coherent plan for victory except to try and outspend Russia.

The UK and Europe are in no position to dictate how America should respond, respectfully we tried it your way 

[putnam6]

How so? It's of course not the official position of DI, as our staff here have varying political views, but I personally agree with you. Putin is evil to his core. According to Alexander Litvinenko, who was assassinated by the Russians with polonium-210 in 2006 after defecting to MI6, Putin was responsible for the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings. Putin has no problem bombing residences, schools, and hospitals to seize power.
 
Watching my country support this man and his invasion of Ukraine is beyond sickening to me. I always expected World War III, but I didn't expect the U.S. to be an Axis power.

Axis power really? 



The overdramatization

Trump is trying to find a peaceful end to this brutal stalemate. no more no less.

Nobody pays the world like the USA and its underappreciated AH

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countri...om-the-u-s

[sahgwa]

It's going to be ok Macron has got this...thats the thing it is a LONG past time for Europe to develop its independent and unique strategies for defense. Why didn't France do this 10,15,20 years ago?



Im convinced the UK, France, Germany, and Poland alone could produce a conventional stalemate with Russia all the while backed by American nuclear capabilities.

There is no good reason that the US should PAY so much for this endless fight, let's not forget the aid is still coming into Ukraine, and we are still at a stalemate there is no coherent plan for victory except to try and outspend Russia.

The UK and Europe are in no position to dictate how America should respond, respectfully we tried it your way 

 I am sure I will be seen as stupid, but I can't see this constant European insistence on pumping money and weapons into Ukraine despite attempts at peace talks as anything more than pushing for more war.  And why?
This won't help a ceasefire.   I know the population of Europe is tired of suffering for Ukraine, and for Russian sanctions.

[Oldcarpy2]

"I know the population of Europe is tired of suffering for Ukraine, and for Russian sanctions."

You do?

You certainly don't speak for us here in the UK.

[putnam6]

"I know the population of Europe is tired of suffering for Ukraine, and for Russian sanctions."

You do?

You certainly don't speak for us here in the UK.

If Americans wanted to continue to finance your regional conflict, Harris would have won. It's that simple

[Oldcarpy2]

If Americans wanted to continue to finance your regional conflict, Harris would have won. It's that simple

I rather think that there were many reasons why Harris lost?

Did Americans vote for the US to suck up to Putin and become bestest buddies?

[Oldcarpy2]

Kellogg met with Zelensky today but the scheduled press conference has been cancelled, apparently by the US.

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[Maxmars]

I'm not sure exactly where I'm supposed to hear what the Russian people want, OR, what the Ukrainian people want.

I know that in that regard, Presidents and diplomats make pronouncements, the media "picks a side" and rants ever onward from that perspective, the activist stage shows of virtual and virtuous...

But it's never unimportant to consider, let's say for arguments sake... say 3,000 or so three-generation families who constituted a regions' modest community... which happened to be located on a timely and tactically-convenient target area..., of course... to say their story has come now to an end is almost an understatement.

Many have a tendency to 'validate' the idea of oppressive force, violent or otherwise, to wrangle people into the 'correct' way of thinking (or living.)  In that validation, they objectify the death, the loss of limb, the brutal exposure to the activities and unbridled violence of war as another, different "thing"... as if it weren't exactly why wars work in the first place.

When you call for, or glorify war... THIS is what you call for... mutilation, destruction, "revenge strikes," casualties, collateral damage, no addressable 'freedoms,' no civil justice,' civil peace only under threat, children lost to trauma... all because "we are at war"... Honestly, I'd rather have no part of it.

It's an insidious trade-off... 

Many would be hard pressed to justify the entirety of what happens in war as a function of "social justice"... especially if they had to do it to the faces of the families of the victims... many of whom were not combatants, nor members of the "rah rah" communities used for show and effect.  (The mind-Pablum of politics is no remedy.) 

(Never forget, the media chooses what they report... as well as how.)

So where do we hear the "voices" of these people for whom we alternately hoot, holler, and grieve?

My concern is this weird, "I hate Putin" ergo "let's kill Russians" idea.  I find it as equally incomprehensible as "Ukraine has something we want... let's kill a bunch of Ukrainians."  Seems counterintuitive and terribly simple-minded.