Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[pianopraze]

Suddenly Europe and China seem a little more interested.

Maybe NATO too, for a different reason:

Update: President Trump privately threatens to pull ALL US troops out of Europe if Ukraine and NATO don’t agree to our peace deal with Russia!

source, trust me bro on Twitter, so use salt..

[quintessentone]

LOL take a breath, do you know how long the negotiations took on the Vietnam war? It took years...

The US is the arbitrator to get them to sit down and talk. No more no less 

All you are doing is speculating scenarios, you spoke of Europe being included but isn't needed yet. Ukraine will be included. All The US is doing is trying to get them to AGREE TO sit down and talk. ONCE they begin talking then will will see where it goes. 

Everything else is leftist paranoid speculation and after 3 years of hearing this, it's tiresome. Russia is gonna take over Europe, seriously they are dying to get out of Ukraine and save face they are in no shape to go after any other countries.

Ukraine doesn't have to sign or agree to any settlement they don't want, they can fight Russia forever. The EU and UK can fight Russia forever 

They just won't get 100 billion-plus support from the US. Right or wrong the American people voted on the BORDER and the BUDGET. Ukraine falls under the budget aspect

That doesn't mean the US is or will abandon NATO or Ukraine, all Trump wants is for the EU/UK to pay more of its fair share for the security of Europe this is the beginning of negotiations for that as well.

If all Trump wants is for the EU to pay more of its fair share why get involved in this war at all? Isn't the U.S. war machine needing to make weapons sales to top up the GDP?

The U.S. arbitration is a non-starter because Ukraine won't give up any territory or concessions no matter what and the U.S. is saying that to move forward Ukraine must give up something while Putin does not have to give up anything.

As for my breathing rate, I know you can only imagine my demeanour while I post, but believe me it's steady and strong and the only time I hold my breath is when I am doing my yoga breathing. lol

[putnam6]

If all Trump wants is for the EU to pay more of its fair share why get involved in this war at all? Isn't the U.S. war machine needing to make weapons sales to top up the GDP?

The U.S. arbitration is a non-starter because Ukraine won't give up any territory or concessions no matter what and the U.S. is saying that to move forward Ukraine must give up something while Putin does not have to give up anything.

As for my breathing rate, I know you can only imagine my demeanour while I post, but believe me it's steady and strong and the only time I hold my breath is when I am doing my yoga breathing. lol

Just checking it's not my intention to set anybody off, Im just discussing the topic at hand, it's just my opinion.

Now back to the topic, you do know Trump wasn't President when Russia's Special Military operation began? Biden, the DNC and connected RINO's, Hollyweird, and our MSM were the ones who were pushing such a huge expenditure

As for weapons sales, you did see where Trump is trying to get both Russia and China to limit all of our nuclear weapons stockpiles?


 

Special military operation - Wikipedia
In Russian propaganda, the term "special military operation" is the main designation for aggression against Ukraine and is used to replace the definition of "war", which the Russian authorities and state media carefully avoided. [16] [19] On 24 February 2022,

[quintessentone]

Just checking it's not my intention to set anybody off, Im just discussing the topic at hand, it's just my opinion.

Now back to the topic, you do know Trump wasn't President when Russia's Special Military operation began? Biden, the DNC and connected RINO's, Hollyweird, and our MSM were the ones who were pushing such a huge expenditure

As for weapons sales, you did see where Trump is trying to get both Russia and China to limit all of our nuclear weapons stockpiles?

Sales of weapons is still a thing with the U.S.

"US approves $7.4bn sale of more weapons to Israel used to ravage Gaza State department signs off on bombs and missiles sales that the US claims would help Israel ‘defend its borders’"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025...-sale-gaza

"Exclusive: US will push European allies to buy more arms for Ukraine, say sources"https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-will-push-european-allies-buy-more-arms-ukraine-say-sources-2025-02-11/

Fill the American coffers first, it appears, while the rest of the world burns down.

So how does limiting nuclear weapons matter at this point when there are too many to count as it is? Nonsensical because it will take a thousand warheads to destroy the U.S. and Russia has over 5,000 with the U.S. right at the 5,000 mark.

From AI search; interesting in regards to there may be no reason to build more nuclear warheads -

"A nuclear warhead's "life expectancy" is considered quite long, with estimates suggesting that the primary components, particularly plutonium pits, can remain stable for decades, potentially up to 85 years or more, according to recent studies, meaning they may not need replacement as frequently as previously thought; however, regular maintenance and component replacements are still necessary to ensure functionality."

Don't you find it odd that U.S. is taking the part of arbitrator while still pushing to sell weapons to the EU to help Ukraine fight against Russia?

[Oldcarpy2]

"A nuclear warhead's "life expectancy" is considered quite long, with estimates suggesting that the primary components, particularly plutonium pits, can remain stable for decades, potentially up to 85 years or more, according to recent studies, meaning they may not need replacement as frequently as previously thought; however, regular maintenance and component replacements are still necessary to ensure functionality."

Russia is not known for maintaining stuff very well, or at all.

Corruption in it's military is endemic.

Mind you, I wouldn't want to find out the hard way if their nukes work....

[putnam6]

Sales of weapons is still a thing with the U.S.

"US approves $7.4bn sale of more weapons to Israel used to ravage Gaza State department signs off on bombs and missiles sales that the US claims would help Israel ‘defend its borders’"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025...-sale-gaza

"Exclusive: US will push European allies to buy more arms for Ukraine, say sources"https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-will-push-european-allies-buy-more-arms-ukraine-say-sources-2025-02-11/

Fill the American coffers first, it appears, while the rest of the world burns down.

So how does limiting nuclear weapons matter at this point when there are too many to count as it is? Nonsensical because it will take a thousand warheads to destroy the U.S. and Russia has over 5,000 with the U.S. right at the 5,000 mark.

From AI search; interesting in regards to there may be no reason to build more nuclear warheads -

"A nuclear warhead's "life expectancy" is considered quite long, with estimates suggesting that the primary components, particularly plutonium pits, can remain stable for decades, potentially up to 85 years or more, according to recent studies, meaning they may not need replacement as frequently as previously thought; however, regular maintenance and component replacements are still necessary to ensure functionality."

Don't you find it odd that U.S. is taking the part of arbitrator while still pushing to sell weapons to the EU to help Ukraine fight against Russia?

Ewwww you are gonna make me defend the MIC, an entity of which Im not a fan of, however it does exist, and until we come up with other ways to employ the millions in the aerospace and defense sector, it deserves some respect

"However, regular maintenance and component replacements are still necessary to ensure functionality."

Is the key statement and the savings would be substantial on less nuclear missile component replacement and routine maintenance 

Rheinmetall just announced it can cover Ukraine's 70,000 155mm shell habit. Err so what Uncle Sam is selling weapons so are Jacque, Basil, and Fritz. I get it, we are striving for a utopian world where we would all hold hands and sing Kumbaya but we aren't anywhere close to that yet.

Weapons design manufacture and production take a lot of advanced planning right now it's hope for the best BUT plan for the worst.

The US still has China looming and FWIW one of the few benefits is having a real-world proving grounds in Ukraine. For instance, nobody knew how extensively drones would be used, now we do and the MIC has no doubt started working on countermeasures. Considering Iran's North Korea and China's drone tech and programs this is more than just a good thing. 

https://bigthink.com/the-present/a-safer...r-weapons/

Why the World May Be Safe with More Nuclear Weapons, Not FewerWhat’s really involved in snuffing out a country’s nuclear capabilities—and is that the right war to be waging?

and if I wanted AI's opinion I would have asked them myself...

[quintessentone]

Ewwww you are gonna make me defend the MIC, an entity of which Im not a fan of, however it does exist, and until we come up with other ways to employ the millions in the aerospace and defense sector, it deserves some respect

"However, regular maintenance and component replacements are still necessary to ensure functionality."

Is the key statement and the savings would be substantial on less nuclear missile component replacement and routine maintenance 

Rheinmetall just announced it can cover Ukraine's 70,000 155mm shell habit. Err so what Uncle Sam is selling weapons so are Jacque, Basil, and Fritz. I get it, we are striving for a utopian world where we would all hold hands and sing Kumbaya but we aren't anywhere close to that yet.

Weapons design manufacture and production take a lot of advanced planning right now it's hope for the best BUT plan for the worst.

The US still has China looming and FWIW one of the few benefits is having a real-world proving grounds in Ukraine. For instance, nobody knew how extensively drones would be used, now we do and the MIC has no doubt started working on countermeasures. Considering Iran's North Korea and China's drone tech and programs this is more than just a good thing. 

https://bigthink.com/the-present/a-safer...r-weapons/

and if I wanted AI's opinion I would have asked them myself...

AI's opinion is just a conglomeration of all the facts put into one neat little place.

The actions of Trump are nonsensical and what kind of peace do Americans want again?

Taking the nuclear war machine into space?

[UltraBudgie]

AI's opinion is just a conglomeration of all the facts put into one neat little place.

The actions of Trump are nonsensical and what kind of peace do Americans want again?

Taking the nuclear war machine into space?

I'm still not convinced that both "nuclear weapons" and "space" aren't psy-ops, so don't tempt me with talk of the "nonsensical".

Also let's keep in mind that foreign policy utterances derivable from public data are essentially indistinguishable from misinformation. At least, if the State Department is doing its job. So, in negotiation, the perception of "nonsense" outside any particular state agency's viewpoint is actually a powerful position, as it prevents allied oppositional consensus with kimono-lifting which, for example, China and Russia may be reluctant to do. (And they shouldn't; no one wants to see Putin or Xi's legs. Eech.)

[Oldcarpy2]

'I'm still not convinced that both "nuclear weapons" and "space" aren't psy-ops, so don't tempt me with talk of the "nonsensical.'

Interesting.

Plenty of evidence nuclear weapons are real. What with Hiroshima, Nagasaki and all the testing.

Space? How is that a "Psy-op"?

[UltraBudgie]

so don't tempt me

Aargh you did. See various other threads. Not to derail here.

But it does show the point that, in the Russia thing, we really have no idea at which level the involved nation-states and personalities are in opposition, or what levels of coherent transnational coordination may be in effect, unknown to us and perhaps the state actors. Or even what field such onion-like epistemologies may grow in.

Like the moon. Or 9/11. Or UFOs. Or high-energy science. And so on. Fun, isn't it?