Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

Do you mean negotiation with European countries/NATO because he and Europe have no seat at the Trump/Putin bro table.

Wasnt the idea floated that the EU would procure weapons from the US till they they could fully support Ukraine's needs? I thought Macron even floated the idea of troops in a limited form. BUT again this all seems like posturing and theater for talks.  

I believe it is all just the opening salvos to establishing negotiations. Why should Europe have a seat? All they did was supply Ukraine why does that buy them a seat at the table?

I feel the same about the US but they paid a lot more to be an arbitrator,  will it work? who knows? but isn't it worth a try?

[Oldcarpy2]

"Why should Europe have a seat? All they did was supply Ukraine why does that buy them a seat at the table?"

Because this war is in Europe?

[quintessentone]

Wasnt the idea floated that the EU would procure weapons from the US till they they could fully support Ukraine's needs? I thought Macron even floated the idea of troops in a limited form. BUT again this all seems like posturing and theater for talks.  

I believe it is all just the opening salvos to establishing negotiations. Why should Europe have a seat? All they did was supply Ukraine why does that buy them a seat at the table?

I feel the same about the US but they paid a lot more to be an arbitrator,  will it work? who knows? but isn't it worth a try?

Bordering countries want security measures put in place at their borders with Russia, just in case Putin is lying to get the Ukrainian territory he wants, then he may become emboldened to invade the countries surrounding Iran, which he says need to be 'freed' (for Putin's oil and gas to flow).

What message does that send to other dictators if Putin is given whatever he wants and the Ukrainian people and other countries are given absolutely no assurances to prevent further invasions (i.e. troops on borders), should they have to give up 1/5th of their country?

Trump/U.S. as an arbitrator?, without including Ukraine/Europe?, is an arbitrator for what? to get back the money from Putin from the annexed Ukrainian land? If Trump can somehow get Ukraine to give Putin 1/5th of Ukrainian territory (with lithium and wheat - big big bucks), does Trump get a cut?

Let's put it this way, Zelensky is calling for the formation of a European army, so that gives us a clue as to how well these negotiations are progressing.

[Oldcarpy2]

So, Trump basically wants to cut a business deal with Putin?

Whilst throwing Ukraine under the bus and ignoring his European allies.

This doesn't look good for anyone.

[quintessentone]

So, Trump basically wants to cut a business deal with Putin?

Whilst throwing Ukraine under the bus and ignoring his European allies.

This doesn't look good for anyone.

What business deal could it be?

Trump and the U.S. could have just stopped supplying anything and everything and just walked away, right?

Trump wants something, but what?

[Oldcarpy2]

Rare earth stuff, lithium, titanium etc.

[putnam6]

Bordering countries want security measures put in place at their borders with Russia, just in case Putin is lying to get the Ukrainian territory he wants, then he may become emboldened to invade the countries surrounding Iran, which he says need to be 'freed' (for Putin's oil and gas to flow).

What message does that send to other dictators if Putin is given whatever he wants and the Ukrainian people and other countries are given absolutely no assurances to prevent further invasions (i.e. troops on borders), should they have to give up 1/5th of their country?

Trump/U.S. as an arbitrator?, without including Ukraine/Europe?, is an arbitrator for what? to get back the money from Putin from the annexed Ukrainian land? If Trump can somehow get Ukraine to give Putin 1/5th of Ukrainian territory (with lithium and wheat - big big bucks), does Trump get a cut?

Let's put it this way, Zelensky is calling for the formation of a European army, so that gives us a clue as to how well these negotiations are progressing.

LOL take a breath, do you know how long the negotiations took on the Vietnam war? It took years...

The US is the arbitrator to get them to sit down and talk. No more no less 

All you are doing is speculating scenarios, you spoke of Europe being included but isn't needed yet. Ukraine will be included. All The US is doing is trying to get them to AGREE TO sit down and talk. ONCE they begin talking then will will see where it goes. 

Everything else is leftist paranoid speculation and after 3 years of hearing this, it's tiresome. Russia is gonna take over Europe, seriously they are dying to get out of Ukraine and save face they are in no shape to go after any other countries.

Ukraine doesn't have to sign or agree to any settlement they don't want, they can fight Russia forever. The EU and UK can fight Russia forever 

They just won't get 100 billion-plus support from the US. Right or wrong the American people voted on the BORDER and the BUDGET. Ukraine falls under the budget aspect

That doesn't mean the US is or will abandon NATO or Ukraine, all Trump wants is for the EU/UK to pay more of its fair share for the security of Europe this is the beginning of negotiations for that as well.

[putnam6]

So, Trump basically wants to cut a business deal with Putin?

Whilst throwing Ukraine under the bus and ignoring his European allies.

This doesn't look good for anyone.

Trump doesn't want to continue paying 100 billion a year for a stalemate, year after year, and hold yer water, Russia ain't marching on Buckingham Palace yet

and as for Ukraine, they are getting pounded into the mud with maximum aid from the US and the EU, they are hanging on as it is. 

3 years ago the left told the American public if Uncle Sam wrote checks to UKRAINE with the OTHER NATO nations they could take back the disputed oblasts. Ukraine isn't even close to an offensive and it's nothing but a money pit, essentially what plenty of people were suggesting 3 years ago. 

never mind Zelensky has the answer.

but I have to ask why hasn't Europe been working towards that if they have the capabilities.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/02...onference/
 

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called for the formation of an “Armed Forces of Europe” in a speech delivered before the Munich Security Conference in Germany on Saturday.

While the Trump administration has drawn feigned outrage throughout European capitals for daring to suggest that they meet their NATO defence spending obligations, President Zelensky was hailed with applause at the Munich Security Conference as he called for an international European army.

Zelensky argued that a European army would be necessary for Europe to take back its own destiny and to ensure its safety if America refused to come to its rescue.

“Let’s be honest, now we can’t rule out the possibility that America might say ‘no’ to Europe on an issue that might threaten it. Many leaders have talked about a Europe that needs its own military, an army of Europe. And I really believe that the time has come for the Armed Forces of Europe to be created,” Zelensky said. 

[pianopraze]

Not supporting either side of argument, but Trump is requiring 500 billion in rare earth in the deal.

Trump has asked for $500 billion in rare earths from Ukraine for continued support, per POLITICO

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[UltraBudgie]

Not supporting either side of argument, but Trump is requiring 500 billion in rare earth in the deal.
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Suddenly Europe and China seem a little more interested.