Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[quintessentone]

Times Radio: The objective is sustainable peace. Trump may not get a quick peace deal because Ukraine's survival is a requirement. Putin: Territorial compromise is not an option. Trump: Serious sanctions on Russia? Billion dollar frozen Russian assets to go to Ukraine?

[Oldcarpy2]

"NATO had no reason to establish new bases in Georgia, and Poland, and then Ukraine, in the early 2000's, but by golly it did "

Poland officially joined NATO on March 12th 1999.

Where are these NATO bases in Ukraine? Or Georgia?

[sahgwa]

"NATO had no reason to establish new bases in Georgia, and Poland, and then Ukraine, in the early 2000's, but by golly it did "

Poland officially joined NATO on March 12th 1999.

Where are these NATO bases in Ukraine? Or Georgia?

They were being constructed in Tbilisi , but NATO had to stop and my father had to leave the country due to the Russian tanks incoming. 
The whole point of this conversation is that NATO attempted to grow when it had previously agreed not to, and if they had not been poking the Bear then this invasion never would have happened. 
Putin even said it this month ,that if Trump had been president the last four years , he would not have invaded.   
It's all related, Russia didn't invade in a vacuum for no reason.

[Oldcarpy2]

They were being constructed in Tbilisi , but NATO had to stop and my father had to leave the country due to the Russian tanks incoming. 
The whole point of this conversation is that NATO attempted to grow when it had previously agreed not to, and if they had not been poking the Bear then this invasion never would have happened. 
Putin even said it this month ,that if Trump had been president the last four years , he would not have invaded.   
It's all related, Russia didn't invade in a vacuum for no reason.

OK. Source?

So, what about Poland having joined NATO in 1999, and where are those NATO bases in Ukraine of which you spoke?

When did NATO agree not to grow?

[sahgwa]

OK. Source?

So, what about Poland having joined NATO in 1999, and where are those NATO bases in Ukraine of which you spoke?

You have to remember that you are in a conspiracy forum, and not Sky News or Euronews, and I am only humouring your very basic questions due to their entertainment value. 
This whole Western , Anglo-sphere/NATO vs BRICS dichotomy we are essentially discussing is a case of the tail wagging the dog.  Whether the military contractors and the NGO come in first, or application for NATO largely due to this behind the scenes pushing, is first, is ultimately irrelevant. 

A lot of these 'NATO bases' are not public knowledge and I am not at liberty to discuss locations due to my former and my father's former security clearances.  Suffice it to say, they are exactly in the capital and major cities you would expect them to be.  The fact is, you seem to be playing devil's advocate at best, or willfully ignorant at worst.  I am not going to name corporations or locations, as that is not proper, to put it lightly.

RE NATO expansion, there was never anything formal signed but this informal conversation and agreement in the time of the Cold War and after are what is fueling that side of the argument.  Here is some basic history:

https://www.belfercenter.org/sites/defau...rinson.pdf

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/j...ters-today

[Oldcarpy2]

You have to remember that you are in a conspiracy forum, and not Sky News or Euronews, and I am only humouring your very basic questions due to their entertainment value. 
This whole Western , Anglo-sphere/NATO vs BRICS dichotomy we are essentially discussing is a case of the tail wagging the dog.  Whether the military contractors and the NGO come in first, or application for NATO largely due to this behind the scenes pushing, is first, is ultimately irrelevant. 

A lot of these 'NATO bases' are not public knowledge and I am not at liberty to discuss locations due to my former and my father's former security clearances.  Suffice it to say, they are exactly in the capital and major cities you would expect them to be.  The fact is, you seem to be playing devil's advocate at best, or willfully ignorant at worst.  I am not going to name corporations or locations, as that is not proper, to put it lightly.

My apologies for asking you to back up your claims.

"security clearances" is it?

I see ..... ?

[Oldcarpy2]

From your Guardian source about Poland:

"So did Russia at some points sanction Nato expansion?
Yes. In August 1993 Yeltsin, in talks with the Polish leader, Lech Wałęsa, conceded Poland’s right to join Nato, a concession that left his colleagues thunderstruck. More formally Russia did the same with the Nato Russia Founding Act in 1996."

This rather torpedoes your claims about Poland.

I could say more but I wouldn't want to breach the Official Secrets Act ? ? ? ?

[sahgwa]

From your Guardian source about Poland:

"So did Russia at some points sanction Nato expansion?
Yes. In August 1993 Yeltsin, in talks with the Polish leader, Lech Wałęsa, conceded Poland’s right to join Nato, a concession that left his colleagues thunderstruck. More formally Russia did the same with the Nato Russia Founding Act in 1996."

This rather torpedoes your claims about Poland.

I could say more but I wouldn't want to breach the Official Secrets Act ? ? ? ?

Poland has been used as a staging point forward into Ukraine , in case you didn't notice.  There are no torpedoes involved.

[Oldcarpy2]

"Staging point forward into Ukraine "?

Really? That would imply NATO forces going into Ukraine. Not happening.

I just pointed out that NATO did have good reason to be in Poland after it joined NATO in spring 1999.

Please do tell me where those NATO bases of yours in Ukraine might be.

Obviously, if you can't because of security clearance reasons I will give that all possible due respect....

[quintessentone]

Poland has been used as a staging point forward into Ukraine , in case you didn't notice.  There are no torpedoes involved.

Why do I think you RussianTroll?