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Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war
Ultimately, if there aren't trade deals there is no averting it.
This whole thing is about trade.
The players will settle... they always do.

Then we can see the plan...

assuming they are not going to say "We settled on accident."
Great first step towards securing a truce.  Interested in seeing what security guarantees were added in, per Ukrainian requests.
Updates

Funny to see the 'style'

1. super bias. begins with a blame game right in the title:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/m...lks-russia

negative slant

Setback for Europe after Trump insists Ukraine has ‘immediate’ peace talks with Russia

Zelenskyy had no choice but to accept Putin’s invitation to talks, diplomats say

The aim of the visit by Keir Starmer, Emmanuel Macron, Friedrich Merz and Donald Tusk was to put pressure on Trump to admit that Putin was stalling, and that the US had no political option but to put swingeing economic sanctions on Russia.
The Republican senator Lindsey Graham has prepared a sanctions package that has broad congressional support.
Foreign ministers had also been in Lviv on Friday in a bid to put pressure on Russia, including by saying plans existed to try Russian leaders for the crime of aggression in front of a special tribunal. The UK had announced further sanctions on the Russian shadow fleet.
Partly due to Trump’s intervention, the UK has now postponed further measures due to be announced on Monday, but the EU is continuing with its plans for another package of sanctions later this month.

2. neutral. simply states facts:
https://www.reuters.com/world/rubio-disc...025-05-13/

positive slant

Ukraine's Zelenskiy insists on face-to-face talks with Putin in Istanbul
  • Zelenskiy will attend talks only if Putin does, says aide
  • Kremlin yet to say whether Putin will attend
  • Trump's envoys will travel to Istanbul for the talks
  • Europe works on more sanctions on Russia
"We want to agree on a beginning to the end of the war," Zelenskiy told a press conference.
But he added: "He (Putin) is scared of direct talks with me."
Zelenskiy said he expected the U.S. and the European Union to impose "strong sanctions" if talks did not take place.
Moscow and Kyiv have both sought to show they are working towards peace after Trump prioritised ending the war, which has raged since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
(05-14-2025, 03:56 PM)sahgwa Wrote: Updates

Funny to see the 'style'

1. super bias. begins with a blame game right in the title:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/m...lks-russia

negative slant

Setback for Europe after Trump insists Ukraine has ‘immediate’ peace talks with Russia

Zelenskyy had no choice but to accept Putin’s invitation to talks, diplomats say

The aim of the visit by Keir Starmer, Emmanuel Macron, Friedrich Merz and Donald Tusk was to put pressure on Trump to admit that Putin was stalling, and that the US had no political option but to put swingeing economic sanctions on Russia.
The Republican senator Lindsey Graham has prepared a sanctions package that has broad congressional support.
Foreign ministers had also been in Lviv on Friday in a bid to put pressure on Russia, including by saying plans existed to try Russian leaders for the crime of aggression in front of a special tribunal. The UK had announced further sanctions on the Russian shadow fleet.
Partly due to Trump’s intervention, the UK has now postponed further measures due to be announced on Monday, but the EU is continuing with its plans for another package of sanctions later this month.

2. neutral. simply states facts:
https://www.reuters.com/world/rubio-disc...025-05-13/

positive slant

Ukraine's Zelenskiy insists on face-to-face talks with Putin in Istanbul
  • Zelenskiy will attend talks only if Putin does, says aide
  • Kremlin yet to say whether Putin will attend
  • Trump's envoys will travel to Istanbul for the talks
  • Europe works on more sanctions on Russia
"We want to agree on a beginning to the end of the war," Zelenskiy told a press conference.
But he added: "He (Putin) is scared of direct talks with me."
Zelenskiy said he expected the U.S. and the European Union to impose "strong sanctions" if talks did not take place.
Moscow and Kyiv have both sought to show they are working towards peace after Trump prioritised ending the war, which has raged since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

I try and use ground.news the slant on some articles is crazy 

What's with Zelenskyy insisting that Putin be there?  

Nixon was never at the Vietnam peace talks
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is 
Professor Neil Ellwood Peart 
 
[Image: PEART-2744335652.gif]

 
(05-14-2025, 06:05 PM)putnam6 Wrote: I try and use ground.news the slant on some articles is crazy 

What's with Zelenskyy insisting that Putin be there?  

Nixon was never at the Vietnam peace talks

The conspirist in me says maybe an attempt on Putins life. Either that or its going to be used as propaganda in some way to drag out more support for their side. Either way I think its doubtful he attends especially with all the talk from zelensky about him being afraid and all that. Putin is not dumb and has a background as a KGB officer...I don't think manipulation and such is going to fare well against him. Right now as of this afternoon the lines seem to be moving very well in Russia's favor. I suspect all this rush to peace is happening now because the collapse of Ukraine's military is imminent and western analyst know it and have communicated as much to zelensky.
(05-15-2025, 01:26 AM)RickyD Wrote: The conspirist in me says maybe an attempt on Putins life. Either that or its going to be used as propaganda in some way to drag out more support for their side. Either way I think its doubtful he attends especially with all the talk from zelensky about him being afraid and all that. Putin is not dumb and has a background as a KGB officer...I don't think manipulation and such is going to fare well against him. Right now as of this afternoon the lines seem to be moving very well in Russia's favor. I suspect all this rush to peace is happening now because the collapse of Ukraine's military is imminent and western analyst know it and have communicated as much to zelensky.

Yeah, that's the first thought that crossed my mind, too. If so, it's such an amateurish attempt. There's no reason for Putin to be there, especially so early in the talks. I haven't seen where the front lines are. I'll take a temporary ceasefire, but yes, if he gets no financing, it's inevitable. 

The 7 times larger Russia wore them down just as most thought would happen.
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is 
Professor Neil Ellwood Peart 
 
[Image: PEART-2744335652.gif]

 
"What's with Zelenskyy insisting that Putin be there?  

Nixon was never at the Vietnam peace talks".

Did he send junior delegates like Putin has?

Why no Lavrov?

Clearly, he's not interested in peace and is taking the pish.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope.  Nothing...
(05-15-2025, 10:01 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: "What's with Zelenskyy insisting that Putin be there?  

Nixon was never at the Vietnam peace talks".

Did he send junior delegates like Putin has?

Why no Lavrov?

Clearly, he's not interested in peace and is taking the pish.

I just hope it gets done.

No matter who attends.
(05-15-2025, 10:01 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote:  



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