Trump Executive Order okays incarceration of homeless

[andy06shake]

Having a child with serious mental health issues I have done everything possible to keep her from being homeless.
It is criminal that there are not enough beds for people like her when her mental condition declines.
When that happens strange things happen and people living near her suffer the consequences. They should not have to deal with fires and floods and constant police interactions. There has to be a more humane approach that helps everyone impacted.

She is terrified of being homeless. I'm very frustrated with the system. For example she has a food card but is not able to buy any prepared food, like a roasted chicken. She cannot cook, or believes she can't. 

Being very attractive she is frequently targeted by predators. I worry constantly about what will happen to her or if she is safe. I've had to deal with her being raped, jumping off buildings and am left with no support what so ever. She is not safe on her own and yet we care for illegals.

I know other parents in similar situations. There needs to be safe housing facilities for people suffering from mental afflictions with trained mental health supervisors who can interject when someone is declining.

Anyway just from my viewpoint.

All the best Thoughtfull3.

I hope your daughter finds a better path and receives the help and security she needs. 

A lot of predators out there, especially so on the streets.

And even more so if you are female.

[Thoughtful3]

Another comment I'd like to make deals with the revolving door for mental health treatment. I've seen this over and over again. My daughter becomes psychotic, is committed to a facility for a short time period, given a new drug regime and then released on her own and they expect her to comply with the new mix.

Some short term follow up and then nothing. Then the cycle resumes.  Part of the problem is that many of those suffering are unemployable which leaves too much time on their hands and that means...

Only once they tried a program where those being treated in a facility were taken to a company to put together cardboard boxes. Not exciting but they made it fun for them, playing music while they worked and they made some money. Not much but a big step forward from nothing.

Of course once discharged they could no longer participate in the program where they had made friends and had some self worth. Then the decline starts all over.

The problem is not that complex. We need to treat them humanely. Some of the actions of the so called mental health facilities for outpatient clients is horrifying. I tried to be involved, I would see everyone quite stable and then suddenly the meds were changed and such dramatic decline.

The reason- Big Pharma. Suddenly out of the blue they discontinue discounts for drugs paid by Medicaid so the Drs. change their meds- just to keep costs temporarily low. Has nothing to do with treating them with the best medication.

Also while I'm on a bit of a rant- these drugs cause huge weight gain. the solution? They now want to give them Ozempic. I fear they will kill her at this rate. I've told her to stay away from that and try exercising which she is currently trying.

[Thoughtful3]

All the best Thoughtfull3.

I hope your daughter finds a better path and receives the help and security she needs. 

A lot of predators out there, especially so on the streets.

And even more so if you are female.

Thank you. It has been very challenging for a long time now. Currently she is more stable but what I find disturbing is men much, much older going after her. You know like 40+ years older. It's obviously not about "conversation". 

 I have pulled out all the stopes to keep her from becoming homeless. I offered to buy a small condo for her because no one will rent to her [because of all the "issues"]. She refused because she says she is afraid to live alone. Sigh.

As you can see there needs to be committed dwellings that offer apartments for those sharing these afflictions. They need help. With the residents sharing similar disabilities they become a community and help each other because they understand what it feels like. They can be their own support group. I've seen how they look out for each other.

What is being done now is inhumane, in fact cruel. We can do better. How we do it is by being humane, with the best of intentions.

[cherokeetroy]

Until Trump acts on his commitment to: 

Dismantle the deep state
Drain the swamp
Uphold transparency 
Restore justice 

There will be no government level solution for homelessness  

There will be no government level solution for anything 

A corrupt government is never part of the solution because all a corrupt government does is spread corruption and create more problems 

 "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
Yeah, I don't think so

I'm not going to hold back on calling Trump out on his lies and corruption  

Just like I didn't hold back on calling out Biden's corruption, Obama's, Clinton's or anyone else's at the governing level

[Bootless]

I personally would like to know how someone who is undocumented contributes billions in taxes because as far as I know you need a social security number to file taxes and if ur not then you dont pay income tax nor federal tax or state tax and the only tax I think you pay is sales tax which is a whopping 8% right? Am I wrong here?

Edit: Response removed because answered better by others.

[WallFlowerActive]

Yes.
I lived in LA for almost 50 years and I’ve seen all sides of homelessness.

The poor soul hanging from a tree for all the morning commuters to see.
The one who intentionally ran in front of the city bus.
The ones who defecate, masturbate, shoot drugs, and smoke drugs on the sidewalk in front of the schools.
The one who smashed my wife’s coworker in the face with a pipe in front of their building.
I could go on and on.

Some of those, most of those folks, are absolutely out of their gourds crazy or on dope, or both.
They are regularly jailed and the door is revolving.
There’s a better way.

Sounds like if they just enforced laws, and gave psychological care as part of the confinement, then funnelled into half way homes, most of those people would be off the streets getting care.  It’s stupid it has to go this for before the tide is turned.

[WallFlowerActive]

A corrupt government is never part of the solution because all a corrupt government does is spread corruption and create more problems 

Shrugs.  Al Capone had a soup kitchen?  

Some people see Luigi Mangione as a hero.  But also idolised forced covid vaccines that was big government business for big pharmaceutical.


 Or people vandalising Tesla’s.  

College students needs safe spaces.

But all hell breaks loose because people out of their minds on illegal drugs need to be off the streets in care.  Because people living open in the streets doing there business in the streets is a health hazard.

Wish some people would make up their minds.

[cherokeetroy]

WallFlowerActive wrote:

Shrugs.  Al Capone had a soup kitchen?  

Some people see Luigi Mangione as a hero.  But also idolised forced covid vaccines that was big government business for big pharmaceutical.

 Or people vandalising Tesla’s.  

College students needs safe spaces.

But all hell breaks loose because people out of their minds on illegal drugs need to be off the streets in care.  Because people living open in the streets doing there business in the streets is a health hazard.

Wish some people would make up their minds.
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Can you describe the "care" that Trump is offering?

What do I need to make up my mind about?
I don't recall mentioning my opinion about vaccines or Teslas or safe spaces.

ETA

We can get into a discussion about what happened during Covid lockdowns then then predict what we can expect from the same government regarding treatment for the homeless because as I recall, no one has been arrested for how they mishandled the pandemic.

[Vermilion]

WallFlowerActive wrote:

Shrugs.  Al Capone had a soup kitchen?  

Some people see Luigi Mangione as a hero.  But also idolised forced covid vaccines that was big government business for big pharmaceutical.

 Or people vandalising Tesla’s.  

College students needs safe spaces.

But all hell breaks loose because people out of their minds on illegal drugs need to be off the streets in care.  Because people living open in the streets doing there business in the streets is a health hazard.

Wish some people would make up their minds.
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Can you describe the "care" that Trump is offering?

What do I need to make up my mind about?
I don't recall mentioning my opinion about vaccines or Teslas or safe spaces.

It was in the OP but I will post the link again for your pleasure…

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-...s-streets/

[cherokeetroy]

It was in the OP but I will post the link again for your pleasure…

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-...s-streets/

Thanks for reposting a link offering vague solutions for a centuries old problem.

I'll read it as soon as I finish reading this breaking news about Obama's arrest.