Trump Executive Order okays incarceration of homeless

[guyfriday]

Thanks for reposting a link offering vague solutions for a centuries old problem.

I'll read it as soon as I finish reading this breaking news about Obama's arrest.

If you ever take the time to read the Executive Order, you will see that it outlines how the people on the street can be provided help in housing, substance abuse, and mental health care through the use of Federally provided grants to the states. The biggest difference between this program and the ones in the past is that the grants have to be made accountable to ensure that the funds are being used to help the people and not support the grift that is taking place today.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

You know, when I said if he wants to ACTUALLY get rid of excess crime he'd treat the homeless like he does the immigrants, it was a joke, I didn't actually mean it, but...

I've looked over and over this release, and it seems like he's ripping off what California did only getting rid of the more compassionate "housing first" option, like residential treatment.
 
 https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessn...ive-order/

President Donald Trump’s new law-and-order approach to homelessness bears several striking resemblances to Gov. Gavin Newsom’s.

Trump wants cities to enforce laws that make it illegal for homeless people to sleep outside. So does Newsom. 

Trump threatened to withhold funding from places that don’t. So did Newsom. 

And the president wants to make it easier to force homeless people living with serious mental illness or addiction into treatment. So does Newsom. 

It’s rare for Trump and Newsom, typically adversaries, to see eye to eye on anything. But when the president signed an executive order this week pushing cities and states to use law enforcement to get unhoused people off the streets, some of it read like déjà vu to Californians.

“I don’t know that there’s a huge contrast between parts of this order and what winds are already blowing toward in California,” said Ryan Finnigan, deputy director of research for the UC Berkeley Terner Center for Housing Innovation.

But Trump doesn’t want to stop at banning homeless encampments and pushing people into treatment, and that’s where he and Newsom diverge: The president wants to upend two core tenets of California’s homelessness policy.

Trump wants to abolish federal support for “housing first,” which is the idea that homeless individuals should get housing even if they are still using drugs, and “harm reduction,” which focuses on preventing overdoses and otherwise making drug use safer.

So basically the difference is instead of pushing them into more expensive residential treatment programs or subsidized housing (with better results), he is going to throw them into much cheaper jail and treat them there. A one stop rehabilitation shop to focus on a law and order first approach. But throwing them into a gang-infested fishbowl, where they can still get their next hit soon as their commissary gets filled, and leave more institutionalized and violent, has much worse results. 

I wonder if he'll build "Joshua Tree Jesup" (for California)  and give them all outdoor tents like that disgraced Maricopa County Sheriff, just to be extra cruel. We do have 28% of the nation's homeless. 

Trump has no discernible Christian values though. How he ever got the Christian vote must be a slave morality or apostate church thing. 

People can cheer the punishment first method, and it will make cities see a crime reduction, like Times Square in the 90s, but people also need to drop the God part from "God and Country," when discussing their values on social issues.

Because if it was actually for GOD and country (whatever the hell that means anyway) everyone would first wash their dirty homeless drug addicted feet and then do the most compassionate thing possible to help them find salvation and be reborn is God's light.

But we now know Trump is in bed with Satan, so it makes sense, because it really does piss on the message Jesus spread about the wretched. 

Matthew 25:40

"Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." 

  
Do we need send the Pro-Jesus Trump adminstratiom to Bible study if their going use christianity as a foundation? 

Now hear me, all you soulless Fox News politician converts pimping this disgrace of humility,  what does Jesus mean when he says, "the least of my brothers and sisters?"

[putnam6]

When the left uses the scripture, it shows they have completely lost the narrative.

In one sentence, Trump is copying Newsome, and the next paragraph is in bed with Satan himself 

Which is it?

[cherokeetroy]

If you ever take the time to read the Executive Order, you will see that it outlines how the people on the street can be provided help in housing, substance abuse, and mental health care through the use of Federally provided grants to the states. The biggest difference between this program and the ones in the past is that the grants have to be made accountable to ensure that the funds are being used to help the people and not support the grift that is taking place today.

Back to the issue of corruption 

Trump never "drained the swamp"
There has been zero accountability for government level criminality

How do you know this isn't a new grift

Trump wants the homeless off the streets because they're unsightly
He couldn't care less about any real solutions

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

When the left uses the scripture, it shows they have completely lost the narrative.

In one sentence, Trump is copying Newsome, and the next paragraph is in bed with Satan himself 

Which is it?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7427255/

I think our way works better than Prison. It's the same until you choose where they go.

While we also want them off the streets we dont want them going back to the streets once they fake it enough to get released from jail. Which is what "jail first" does. 

You'd be surprised what happens if you give them an appartment to lose.

And we didn't come up with our method. Houston, Texas came up with it. We carbon copied what they did. We have taken 33% off the streets since 2021, which dropped us from 270,000 in 2021 to 180,000 in 2025
(Covid contributed). Just like happened in Houston. Housing first works. 

And Trump is "Satan" because he ignores the results in Houston or California, and would rather throw them in a violent fucking lord of the flies recidivism factory.  

He better do something about the drugs that flow through our correctional facilities through connected cartel and aryan nation people.

In California, they use "Fire Camp" and hope they can shove it far enough up their ass. But the cartels just bribe guards and get it directly.  Theyll come out more addicted sometimes. 

Prison as an answer to the drug addiction that fuels homelessness is a joke, and it seems like Trump just wants to treat poor people poorly.  

I honestly think he'll next move to build another facility specifically to accommodate the homeless people the local police start arresting for having nowhere to go... because they'd still rather get high than try at life. 

And while that's sad and unsightly, his solution just  takes it out of social service hands and gives it to police. It removes the compassion and says, "you can enter treatment by attending 12 step meetings in prison."

And sorry to cite scripture, it's just funny because Trump was a quasi-savior to the sanctity concerned Christian, and he is so very far from a Christian it's laughable. Thus "Apostate Church." 

You could actually argue his "core personality," meaning his service of self and especially his will to power, is purely satanic, or at least Machievelian.

Like, didn't Lucifer take up these prideful stands, act like a constant martyr, and demand you throw him out? And then build an army of a following in line with opposing his adversary?

Like what would Satan Do?

"Okay, my opposition wants me to be nicer to iimmigrants. Hmmmm..I know, I'll send Vietnamese people to Sudan just to really stick it in that they can't control me." 

Just a textbook Personality of Satan move. 

Though saying he was in bed with Satan was actually a reference to the Season Premier of South Park, but now that it's mentioned...

[Good Bacteria]

I just came across this Youtube video:
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwn2EPKee5Q].
Here is the link to the executive order:
Ending Crime and Disorder on American Streets
It sounds to me like more federally paid, unidentified, masked, armed, bounty hunters will be in our towns right alongside the ones working for mass deportations.

Good.

[Vermilion]

You know, when I said if he wants to ACTUALLY get rid of excess crime he'd treat the homeless like he does the immigrants, it was a joke, I didn't actually mean it, but...

I've looked over and over this release, and it seems like he's ripping off what California did only getting rid of the more compassionate "housing first" option, like residential treatment.
 
 https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessn...ive-order/


So basically the difference is instead of pushing them into more expensive residential treatment programs or subsidized housing (with better results), he is going to throw them into much cheaper jail and treat them there. A one stop rehabilitation shop to focus on a law and order first approach. But throwing them into a gang-infested fishbowl, where they can still get their next hit soon as their commissary gets filled, and leave more institutionalized and violent, has much worse results. 

I wonder if he'll build "Joshua Tree Jesup" (for California)  and give them all outdoor tents like that disgraced Maricopa County Sheriff, just to be extra cruel. We do have 28% of the nation's homeless. 

Trump has no discernible Christian values though. How he ever got the Christian vote must be a slave morality or apostate church thing. 

People can cheer the punishment first method, and it will make cities see a crime reduction, like Times Square in the 90s, but people also need to drop the God part from "God and Country," when discussing their values on social issues.

Because if it was actually for GOD and country (whatever the hell that means anyway) everyone would first wash their dirty homeless drug addicted feet and then do the most compassionate thing possible to help them find salvation and be reborn is God's light.

But we now know Trump is in bed with Satan, so it makes sense, because it really does piss on the message Jesus spread about the wretched. 

Matthew 25:40
  
Do we need send the Pro-Jesus Trump adminstratiom to Bible study if their going use christianity as a foundation? 

Now hear me, all you soulless Fox News politician converts pimping this disgrace of humility,  what does Jesus mean when he says, "the least of my brothers and sisters?"

Interesting thoughts.

Housing first options were cut out because they didn’t work.
The hotels they ruined only turned into drug dens and trafficking centers infested with sex crimes.

The criminals will certainly go to jail which will work great for keeping them separate from homeless families and people who truly wish to get off the dope.

The reason he got the Christian vote is because the democrat party went all in with their..
1) racist and sexist (DEI) policies
2) chemical and surgical sex changes for minors
3) a two tier justice system 
4) targeting Christians 
5) open borders directly leading to drug epidemics, homelessness epidemic, trafficking epidemic 
6) censoring conservatives 

Glad to help you make sense of it.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Interesting thoughts.

Housing first options were cut out because they didn’t work.
The hotels they ruined only turned into drug dens and trafficking centers infested with sex crimes.

The criminals will certainly go to jail which will work great for keeping them separate from homeless families and people who truly wish to get off the dope. 

The reason he got the Christian vote is because the democrat party went all in with their..
1) racist and sexist (DEI) policies
2) chemical and surgical sex changes for minors
3) a two tier justice system 
4) targeting Christians 
5) open borders directly leading to drug epidemics, homelessness epidemic, trafficking epidemic 
6) censoring conservatives 

Glad to help you make sense of it.

Thanks! 

Just please promise not to start stringing the homeless junkies up on billboards and giving them a crown of thorns of hypodermic needles. 

Like try not to right the wrongs of The Santa Monica PD through authoritarianism, and don't trust the pyromaniac out at Indian Springs.

Mayhaps I'm being a little apocalyptic here... but the old woman in Nebraska won't shut up about the dark man.

[guyfriday]

Back to the issue of corruption 

Trump never "drained the swamp"
There has been zero accountability for government level criminality

How do you know this isn't a new grift

Trump wants the homeless off the streets because they're unsightly
He couldn't care less about any real solutions

Let's talk about the massive amount of push back Trump got in his first term. Never in the 249-year history of the US has a President went through as many impeachment hearing, backstabbing by political ideologs, and assassination attempts. You tell me why he wasn't able to drain the swamp during his first term.

If this was a grifting operation, then demanding that accountability is made of how the money is being spent would have been left off of the Executive Order.

You do realize that most cities with exploding crime also have an uncontrolled homeless crisis? Maybe you like the idea of people being forced to close businesses due to homeless people stealing items and then selling them a block or two over on the street, or people getting raped by some drug addict that felt like he needed to feel power, or perhaps you like the smell of pot and feces everywhere. I don't know since I don't know you personally. What I do know is if the people that need help getting off the street had the recourses to do so, then the crooks that take advantage of them would end up going away, and if people that became addicted to drugs got help and stop depending on them, the need to steal items to sell would go down, and of course if the people who have been kicked to the curb by society were able to the mental health care that they need then we wouldn't have as many misunderstood shooting taking place. 


Since you put this out there about real solutions, then why don't you enlighten us with how you would deal with the Homeless Industrial Complex, and help the people on the street rather than exploit them like they are today?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

To expand upon the BLATANTLY FALSE notion "Housing First" fails. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-houston...elessness/

Was Houston's Housing First initiative considered a success?

Yes, Houston's Housing First initiative has been largely considered a success. The city has seen a significant decrease in homelessness since implementing the Housing First model, with a 64% reduction in the homeless population over the past dozen years. This approach prioritizes providing immediate, stable housing for individuals experiencing homelessness, followed by supportive services to address other needs like healthcare and employment.

They were 5 years before us in 2011. They did way better than we did. We saw success for those in the program. But the amount of people being gentrified to the street by increasing rent obscured the success that could have been had.  

It could have worked...

But Houston didn't have the average rent and cost of living go up 40% to 70% (depending on location) between 2011 and 2020 like ours has since 2016. Their rent increased a more manageable 15 to 25% during their first 9 years of doing it.

I think we just wont admit we priced 0.5% of our population to cars, shelters, and the street. The more status seeking Bosa Buildings we get, the more every other landlord plays catch up. 

But Trump just ripped off Houston and California and outlawed the part of it that has been proven to be what makes it work...

...so he could be a jackass and throw more people in jail... and seemingly always choose the cruelest option that he can get away with.

Or thats how it comes off, anyway.