Trump Executive Order okays incarceration of homeless

[Bootless]

I just came across this Youtube video:

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Here is the link to the executive order:
Ending Crime and Disorder on American Streets

Shifting homeless individuals into long-term institutional settings for humane treatment through the appropriate use of civil commitment will restore public order. 
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(b)  The Attorney General shall:
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(ii)   take all necessary steps to ensure the availability of funds under the Emergency Federal Law Enforcement Assistance program to support, as consistent with 34 U.S.C. 50101 et seq., encampment removal efforts in areas for which public safety is at risk and State and local resources are inadequate;
 

It sounds to me like more federally paid, unidentified, masked, armed, bounty hunters will be in our towns right alongside the ones working for mass deportations.

[Vermilion]

I just came across this Youtube video:
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwn2EPKee5Q].
Here is the link to the executive order:
Ending Crime and Disorder on American Streets
It sounds to me like more federally paid, unidentified, masked, armed, bounty hunters will be in our towns right alongside the ones working for mass deportations.

Or compassionate care for the folks who can’t care for themselves.
Everyone wins.

You might rather your taxmoney go to the illegals.
I voted for my taxpayer money going to Americans fwiw.

[Bootless]

Or compassionate care for the folks who can’t care for themselves.
Everyone wins.

I know an RN who works forensic mental health.
She lives in her car.

It has been said, "Many people are two or three paychecks away from poverty and homelessness."

With this new EO we might as well say:
Many people are two or three paychecks away from poverty and incarceration.

[Tecate]

I am not ok with anything against someone’s will.

I am not a US citizen so far be it for me to tell you Americans what to think or do, but they are trying this where I live with involuntary rehab.

Next I see is Zombies from the Church of Christ (or whatever cult you prefer) being let out into the streets, telling me that I am some useless eater who shouldn’t exist because I don’t believe the dogma that they have been force fed.
 
No gracias…..

Tecate

[guyfriday]

Civil commitment means against their will. You really okay with that?

Not any more then when a Police Officer has to shoot a person in the line of duty. The issue here is what can be done about people living on the street, passing out on the sidewalks, and having serious mental health issues in public places in which the public can and have been victimized.

With the closure of a lot of federally funded mental health services back int he 90s, and this bazaar belief that every drug under the sun needs to be made available to the public there needs to be some kind of system put in place to take up that needed slack. Sadly, as much as the idea of taking people off the street in order to get the help that they should have had all along might be reprehensible on its face, the alternative of just continuing to allow these people to rot in the streets is much worse.

[Mantiss2021]

I just came across this Youtube video:
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwn2EPKee5Q].
Here is the link to the executive order:
Ending Crime and Disorder on American Streets
It sounds to me like more federally paid, unidentified, masked, armed, bounty hunters will be in our towns right alongside the ones working for mass deportations.

Who gets to decide if some is "homeless"?

Sounds like a way to expedite eminent domain actions: 

Declare the owner of a desired piece of property to be "homeless". Incarcerate/ institutionalize them, and take the property for pennies on the dollar.

[ANNEE]

Or compassionate care for the folks who can’t care for themselves.
Everyone wins.

 Compassionate?

I’ll believe that when I see it.

[Bootless]

Who gets to decide if some is "homeless"?

Sounds like a way to expedite eminent domain actions: 

Declare the owner of a desired piece of property to be "homeless". Incarcerate/ institutionalize them, and take the property for pennies on the dollar.

The who gets to decide is rather frightening, considering the number of U.S. citizens that have been mistakenly deported.

I'm currently reading one of the articles linked to on the Youtube page: Are we about to have Labor Camps.

Besides, there’s something odd about that $450 million a year price tag. (Here’s an interesting Daily Kos community post asking some good questions about that astronomical cost. The math doesn’t add up.)
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Now let’s turn to Snyder’s thesis. It was, as he acknowledged, mostly conjecture on his part. But think about it. If you’re the type of person who wants to round up thousands upon thousands of people and detain them in inhumane conditions and give them four or five square feet of private space and feed them slop and treat them like animals, isn’t there inevitably going to come a time when you think: Why should these people be sitting around doing nothing all day?
Snyder’s answer to that question goes like this:
 

What happens next in the U.S.? Workers who are presented as “undocumented” will be taken to the camps. Perhaps they will work in the camps themselves, as slaves to government projects. But more likely they will be offered to American companies on special terms: a one-time payment to the government, for example, with no need for wages or benefits. In the simplest version, and perhaps the most likely, detained people will be offered back to the companies for which they were just working. Their stay in the concentration camp will be presented as a purge or a legalization for which companies should be grateful.

He then notes that Trump himself has discussed something like this. On his July 1 visit to the Everglades camp with Governor Ron DeSantis and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, Trump was asked about detainees participating in some kind of work program. The question starts at 5:43 of this video. As ever with Trump, he starts and stops sentences midway and it’s hard to follow. But he talks about “farmer responsibility” and “owner responsibility.” He seems to be describing a system whereby farmworkers and others would live in detention camps but be released to work on farms or in hotels. 

Are you familiar with the movie The Shawshank Redemption? . The plot includes the prison warden collecting money from private companies for prisoner labor, on a separate set of books. Under the new reality, speculation goes: all legal and above board. No second set of books needed.

[Vermilion]

Civil commitment means against their will. You really okay with that?

Yes.
I lived in LA for almost 50 years and I’ve seen all sides of homelessness.

The poor soul hanging from a tree for all the morning commuters to see.
The one who intentionally ran in front of the city bus.
The ones who defecate, masturbate, shoot drugs, and smoke drugs on the sidewalk in front of the schools.
The one who smashed my wife’s coworker in the face with a pipe in front of their building.
I could go on and on.

Some of those, most of those folks, are absolutely out of their gourds crazy or on dope, or both.
They are regularly jailed and the door is revolving.
There’s a better way.

[guyfriday]

Something that is slightly being ignored here, and that the whole intent of thise action.
Ending Crime and Disorder on America's Streets – The White House

Section 1.  Purpose and Policy.  Endemic vagrancy, disorderly behavior, sudden confrontations, and violent attacks have made our cities unsafe.  The number of individuals living on the streets in the United States on a single night during the last year of the previous administration — 274,224 — was the highest ever recorded.  The overwhelming majority of these individuals are addicted to drugs, have a mental health condition, or both.  Nearly two-thirds of homeless individuals report having regularly used hard drugs like methamphetamines, cocaine, or opioids in their lifetimes.  An equally large share of homeless individuals reported suffering from mental health conditions.  The Federal Government and the States have spent tens of billions of dollars on failed programs that address homelessness but not its root causes, leaving other citizens vulnerable to public safety threats.
 
Shifting homeless individuals into long-term institutional settings for humane treatment through the appropriate use of civil commitment will restore public order.  Surrendering our cities and citizens to disorder and fear is neither compassionate to the homeless nor other citizens.

and while everyone is dismayed about picking people up off the street. Let's look at the other parts of this action:

 The Attorney General, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, and the Secretary of Transportation shall take immediate steps to assess their discretionary grant programs and determine whether priority for those grants may be given to grantees in States and municipalities that actively meet the below criteria, to the maximum extent permitted by law:
 
(i)    enforce prohibitions on open illicit drug use;
 
(ii)   enforce prohibitions on urban camping and loitering;
 
(iii)  enforce prohibitions on urban squatting;
 
(iv)   enforce, and where necessary, adopt, standards that address individuals who are a danger to themselves or others and suffer from serious mental illness or substance use disorder, or who are living on the streets and cannot care for themselves, through assisted outpatient treatment or by moving them into treatment centers or other appropriate facilities via civil commitment or other available means, to the maximum extent permitted by law; or
 
(v)    substantially implement and comply with, to the extent required, the registration and notification obligations of the Sex Offender Registry and Notification Act, particularly in the case of registered sex offenders with no fixed address, including by adequately mapping and checking the location of homeless sex offenders.

These will hopefully remove a major element of street crime and allow the public to use places like city parks and walking paths again. Not to mention allow people to just enjoy their neighborhoods again without having to worry about a drugged out individual attacking them. 

The Attorney General shall:
(i)    ensure that homeless individuals arrested for Federal crimes are evaluated, consistent with 18 U.S.C. 4248, to determine whether they are sexually dangerous persons and certified accordingly for civil commitment;
 
(ii)   take all necessary steps to ensure the availability of funds under the Emergency Federal Law Enforcement Assistance program to support, as consistent with 34 U.S.C. 50101 et seq., encampment removal efforts in areas for which public safety is at risk and State and local resources are inadequate;
 
(iii)  assess Federal resources to determine whether they may be directed toward ensuring, to the extent permitted by law, that detainees with serious mental illness are not released into the public because of a lack of forensic bed capacity at appropriate local, State, and Federal jails or hospitals; and
 
(iv)   enhance requirements that prisons and residential reentry centers that are under the authority of the Attorney General or receive funding from the Attorney General require in-custody housing release plans and, to the maximum extent practicable, require individuals to comply.

These should allow for Law Enforcement to keep people off the streets that shouldn't be there, but as seen in subsection 4, also ensure that people who have paid their price to society due to illicit behavior will be released with some understanding of a place to live rather than just being put out on the streets. 

And here is a big one in a time where states are becoming the drug dealers and drug labs.

 With respect to recipients of Federal housing and homelessness assistance that operate drug injection sites or “safe consumption sites,” knowingly distribute drug paraphernalia, or permit the use or distribution of illicit drugs on property under their control:
 
(i)   the Attorney General shall review whether such recipients are in violation of Federal law, including 21 U.S.C. 856, and bring civil or criminal actions in appropriate cases; and
 
(ii)  the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, in coordination with the Attorney General, shall review whether such recipients are in violation of the terms of the programs pursuant to which they receive Federal housing and homelessness assistance and freeze their assistance as appropriate.

This action alone should reduce a lot of the drug related issue many of these states with drug free zones have created.