The Halls of Amenti Have Been Discovered Under the Giza Plateau

[quintessentone]

Yes, the fringe continues to lie to you. Just how do you account for the 1984 and 1995 C-14 datings? The lack of any evidence of anyone being there at Giza prior to  Maadi (The oldest finds on the Giza Plateau predate the famous pyramids, with evidence pointing to theMaadi culture (c. 3800-3400 BCE), prior to that nothing. How does one explain the use of the Egyptian language in graffiti on the inside and outside of the GP? In places that could not have been entered once it was completed? Why is there no evidence of a large scale masonry working civilization in the Nile Valley until the Egyptians? Why do we only find cultures not civilizations in the Nile valley going back 40,000 years?

I don't believe they are lying. I believe in how they derived the date through observation of the Sphinx, which is part of the Giza complex.

"Modern Egyptology largely agrees that the Sphinx was built around 2500 BC during the reign of Pharaoh Khafre, whose face it is thought to bear a likeness. However, dissenting opinions to this commonly accepted time frame exist.
 In fact, Egyptologist Selim Hassan admitted that the evidence for the theory of the Sphinx being built for Khafre during his reign was circumstantial at best. After all, no inscriptions on the statue exist tying its construction with anyone.
 
Early Egyptologists believed that the Sphinx stele (stone slab with hieroglyphs) shows that the monument became buried in the desert before the time of Khafre. More modern theories say that the Sphinx appears constructed more in the style of Pharaoh Khufu, who was Khafre's father.
 
Khafre's Causeway, in particular, appears to have been built with an existing structure in mind and that could have only been the Sphinx. Another more fringe theory is that the water erosion on the Sphinx suggests construction during a time when heavy rain was common in Egypt, thus putting its construction somewhere between 4000 and 3000 BC."

The Great Sphinx Of Giza

[KKLoco]

Yes, the fringe continues to lie to you. Just how do you account for the 1984 and 1995 C-14 datings? The lack of any evidence of anyone being there at Giza prior to  Maadi (The oldest finds on the Giza Plateau predate the famous pyramids, with evidence pointing to theMaadi culture (c. 3800-3400 BCE), prior to that nothing. How does one explain the use of the Egyptian language in graffiti on the inside and outside of the GP? In places that could not have been entered once it was completed? Why is there no evidence of a large scale masonry working civilization in the Nile Valley until the Egyptians? Why do we only find cultures not civilizations in the Nile valley going back 40,000 years?

If you have followed the disclosure movement at all, you would know what’s coming. And that coming is going to shatter your world view. You see, what comes along with disclosure, is a a foundation of what happens to us when we die. Furthermore, it also shatters all the absolute BS timelines of our history.

[Byrd]

 
Early Egyptologists believed that the Sphinx stele (stone slab with hieroglyphs) shows that the monument became buried in the desert before the time of Khafre. More modern theories say that the Sphinx appears constructed more in the style of Pharaoh Khufu, who was Khafre's father.
 

Once they learned to translate it, though, it was apparent that the sandy inundation took place a long time later, after main burials in the necropolis ended.

And of course, one of the big weaknesses is that the structure and art is very clearly "Egyptian style" and of the third dynasty or later.  Art styles changed subtly throughout Egypt's history, and someone who has trained in the subject can easily spot which era an object belongs to.

[quintessentone]

Once they learned to translate it, though, it was apparent that the sandy inundation took place a long time later, after main burials in the necropolis ended.

And of course, one of the big weaknesses is that the structure and art is very clearly "Egyptian style" and of the third dynasty or later.  Art styles changed subtly throughout Egypt's history, and someone who has trained in the subject can easily spot which era an object belongs to.

So are you saying you believe that the Giza complex was indeed dated via the evidence found at the Sphinx?

[Harte]

So are you saying you believe that the Giza complex was indeed dated via the evidence found at the Sphinx?

No one says this.
There are multiple avenues used to date the Giza complex, not the least of which are two very comprehensive C14 assays of the structures there.

Harte

[rickymouse]

No one says this.
There are multiple avenues used to date the Giza complex, not the least of which are two very comprehensive C14 assays of the structures there.

Harte

I personally knew a guy who has a business doing carbon dating.  When talking to him at the motel bar after his presentation at night, he mentioned that carbon dating ancient things can lead to questionable  results, because often the places were utilized by new groups of people long after the structures were built.  He said it was hard sometimes to get estimates with carbon dating and the work to try to figure out things more accurately was time consuming.  Some structures through history were remodeled or revamped many times...and carbon dating only identifies carbon based things, mostly organic stuff.  It is easy to date things like bone and adjustments have to be made by the historic changes in the environment in that area.  Also consensus of the time...the beliefs of the people who hire him need to be considered.  He mentioned that often many time frames were present in his testing so he has to choose which is the best timeframe.  Sometimes his estimates can say say three thousand to thirty thousand years ago.

We talked a little about some OOP fossils of dinosaurs, some he tested were maybe ten thousand years old, but he said those results were skewed by the environment...I guess there are reasons that carbon dating does not work well in some places.  I think he mentioned those dino bones were somewhere in Montana  on some mountain area out west here in America...could have been Wyoming or somewhere out that way

That was an interesting conversation I had with him.

[Byrd]

So are you saying you believe that the Giza complex was indeed dated via the evidence found at the Sphinx?

No, I'm saying that the stele (which was composed in Thutmose's time and provides "evidence" that he is the One True King (at a time when there was a lot of argument over succession).  I also claim that it shows the Giza necropolis was abandoned for a long time at some period after the death of Menkaure.

...and that it also shows that this was not the most sacred site in Egypt (that would be Abydos, which was maintained throughout thousands of years.)

[Byrd]

I personally knew a guy who has a business doing carbon dating.  When talking to him at the motel bar after his presentation at night, he mentioned that carbon dating ancient things can lead to questionable  results, because often the places were utilized by new groups of people long after the structures were built.  He said it was hard sometimes to get estimates with carbon dating and the work to try to figure out things more accurately was time consuming.  Some structures through history were remodeled or revamped many times...and carbon dating only identifies carbon based things, mostly organic stuff.  It is easy to date things like bone and adjustments have to be made by the historic changes in the environment in that area.  Also consensus of the time...the beliefs of the people who hire him need to be considered.  He mentioned that often many time frames were present in his testing so he has to choose which is the best timeframe.  Sometimes his estimates can say say three thousand to thirty thousand years ago.

We talked a little about some OOP fossils of dinosaurs, some he tested were maybe ten thousand years old, but he said those results were skewed by the environment...I guess there are reasons that carbon dating does not work well in some places.  I think he mentioned those dino bones were somewhere in Montana  on some mountain area out west here in America...could have been Wyoming or somewhere out that way

That was an interesting conversation I had with him.

It sounds as if he was involved in the dinosaur "controversy" where Young Earth Creationists sent samples of a dinosaur to a lab for C14 testing.  Everyone told them that C14 isn't valid beyond 50,000 years or so (because the C14 would have all decayed by then)

[rickymouse]

It sounds as if he was involved in the dinosaur "controversy" where Young Earth Creationists sent samples of a dinosaur to a lab for C14 testing.  Everyone told them that C14 isn't valid beyond 50,000 years or so (because the C14 would have all decayed by then)

He usually said he would send one of his guys or go to the site himself to do the carbon dating.  he made a lot of money doing that and got to travel the world.  Later he started his own TV show, I do not know if he is still doing that anymore, last I heard Scott was somewhere in the UK with his girlfriend who works there.

His TV series was pretty dramatic but in real life he is not like that so much.  I don't even know if he had that tv show when I talked to him.  that was about eighteen years ago I think.  He still went to the conferences to keep us informed, but the wife and I haven't gone since the year after covid hit.

I enjoyed talking to all those people who spoke at those conferences, they even looked at some of the artifacts I found when I brought them there to show people, but I guess my artifacts are only around five to six hundred years old, I was told by some of the Indians that know a lot of the historic practices that they still make some things like that in their traditional teachings to young natives.  But the style predates the Native American tribes that are here now, I guess they have only been here for about four hundred years at most in the U.P of Michigan, one told me it was probably something like the algonquins that were here before that.  According to them, I am on some kind of old ceremonial site with all the rocks in rows under ground and ground rocks they made tools out of...plus the piles of quartzite and one piece of brick like Flint I found in the back yard area down a foot or so.  The only artifact I found that is worth much is my hammer head, and to get the value, it would cost me almost seven grand for a site survey and to get it verified by someone who does that...then it would probably be worth about ten grand...but who cares, I would not have my avatar anymore because the wife would make me sell it to get the money back.

[SurferSoul]

It sounds as if he was involved in the dinosaur "controversy" where Young Earth Creationists sent samples of a dinosaur to a lab for C14 testing.  Everyone told them that C14 isn't valid beyond 50,000 years or so (because the C14 would have all decayed by then)

Maybe so, but his main point was that the same sites are occupied by multiple generations and differing cultures more often than not, what’s is dated to the Iron Age can go back to Bronze Age, even the Stone Age. Temples are built and remodelled or repurposed over time. So just because we have evidence of one era, doesn’t mean the it wasn’t previously built in another.