Release All Files! - Part 1

[FlyersFan]

Yes one of the witnesses was working there and remembered because it was an event type of thing there, so he remembered seeing Trump and seeing him in Carroll's area.

Which is not illegal.   The 'witness' did not see the alleged event.
He is only going on the word of Carroll ... who had zero evidence to back up her claim
and zero memory of where and when it happened .. couldn't even remember what
she was supposedly wearing.

[Oldcarpy2]

Of course you are moving on because you have nothing.

And here you go with these supposed "survivors" again.

Your other Lib friend here already commented about being past the statute of limitations on the Carroll supposed rape, all this other stuff you are sure Trump has committed is way past that as well.

Ah, Liberal Derangement Syndrome.  It's incurable, so it seems.

"Supposed survivors"?

Try some empathy.  As if you have any.

​​​​​​​Swear away, tough guy.

[RazorV66]

Ah, Liberal Derangement Syndrome.  It's incurable, so it seems.

"Supposed survivors"?

Try some empathy.  As if you have any.

Swear away, tough guy.

Read your own footer and there is my answer to you.

​​​​​​​Weak guy.

[UltraBudgie]

I though there was always a survivor with surprise sex?

Otherwise it would be called murder.

[Oldcarpy2]

Read your own footer and there is my answer to you.

Weak guy.

Way to go.  Tough guy.  Not.

Release the files.  Like your Tin God promised.

Like he also promised no more intervention, , apart from Venezuela, Greenland, Nigeria, Syria and the rest

[quintessentone]

"you guys"  

The Epstein files are a totally different subject than the Carrol fake rape allegations and the lawfare waged against Trump in New York that made him a 'convicted felon'.   

With the Epstein files he is acting like a man with something to hide.   We can't say he's guilty of anything because there has been no evidence or proof of that.   But his behavior on this doesn't read like an innocent person.   That's subjective and that's my opinion.

The Carroll conviction was absurd.   She's a nutjob and if anyone else had been charged it would have been dismissed.   And the 'convicted felon' NY lawfare against Trump was not evidence of guilt on his part, but was evidence of guilt on the part of the Democrats who invented a felony and went after him on purpose.

Two separate issues .... Epstein files and the Carroll/NY incidents.   The Carroll/NY incidents he was convicted because of 'get Trump' and not because of any justice at all.

There was a lot of stuff going on with Epstein internationally, tax evasion advice (Trump's interest), trafficking girls to get the dirt on people for blackmail, CIA affiliations, Israeli political players etc.

I wouldn't bother mentioning Trump because of the timeline, but two survivors said he raped them and I won't let that go.

[Maxmars]

prolly would of been a good idea 12 pages ago tbh

Yup... it's the way things are around here...
you are all claiming (at least in theory) to be capable of conversation...
babysitting services have a cost...
and my sanity is not for sale.

So my solution, aside from "my" style of PSA (dense and temptingly ignorable. )

I take advantage by 

a) alerting another mod who 'runs across this manner of 'pollution.'
b) promoting the idea that these members don't appear capable of behaving otherwise
c) "owns" the dialogue where other members would love to ask something or interject... but 
    d) sounds like a "family-style' heated argument no one want to even observe, let alone interrupt.

Since any comment that is not part of the frenzy is virtually ignored, PSA or otherwise, all that remains is a "warning"... which I am proud to say... I restrain myself where members are concerned... they have eventual consequences.

So this is me...
how I am approaching this problem.... 
I am taking full advantage as a moderator to be quite purposefully and intentionally OFF TOPIC.

Pick a day...
and on that day go at each other like you do...
not everyday, and certainly not everywhere.

Plan it out...
so we may plan around you.

As it is, wherever you encounter each other, there are only two sides and no discussion about it.
Activist speak yelling each other down... endlessly.

Educational, it is not, Entertaining it's not, what it is, is personal.
You may disagree, but that baggage is on you personally, not everyone else.
DI is not a stage, no one is judging you or what you think... unless you are.

(Shit!  I looked into my bag of tricks and that my be my last "be kind" card.)

Maybe I should just be a total Christmas ass and close it myself... but this is an important topic that shouldn't be the crying field for only a few people with unshakeable grudges.

I don't know....

Honestly... conversations do heal themselves.... if there is interest...

'tis a season for hope.

[ANNEE]

There was a lot of stuff going on with Epstein internationally, tax evasion advice (Trump's interest), trafficking girls to get the dirt on people for blackmail, CIA affiliations, Israeli political players etc.

Ah YES!

New investigations are now ongoing how Epstein made his fortune.  

 Scams, schemes, ruthless cons: The untold story of how Epstein got rich. 

Before offering Epstein a job, Greenberg had him meet another senior executive, Michael Tennenbaum. His son happened to be a Dalton student, who reported to his father that Epstein was popular with students and the school’s young female staff members. Epstein went to Tennenbaum’s office overlooking New York Harbor for an interview. “He was just a hell of a salesman,” Tennenbaum told us. Epstein was hired. 

It was an extraordinarily lucky break for him — the first of many. Administrators at Dalton, unimpressed with Epstein’s teaching, had asked him to leave the school after the academic year ended. Now, just like that, he had a new job that paid about $25,000 a year (roughly $140,000 in today’s dollars).

Scams, schemes, ruthless cons: The untold story of how Epstein got rich | World News - Business Standard

[UltraBudgie]

The DOJ’s redactions of the files are vast – and the reasons for them go beyond what the law requires. In some cases, entire pages are redacted. To comply with the law, several redactions had to be made, according to the DOJ. Information redacted, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche said, included any material that contained personally identifiable information of victims, child sexual abuse materials, classified national defense or foreign policy information, or would jeopardize an active investigation.

DOJ withheld more Epstein files than law requires

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAgcKZ5MYHA]

The Transparency Act says: "All redactions must be accompanied by a written justification published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress."

Looking at the disclosures:
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/doj-disclosures

All that accompanies the redactions is this notice:

In view of the Congressional deadline, all reasonable efforts have been made to review and redact personal information pertaining to victims, other private individuals, and protect sensitive materials from disclosure. That said, because of the volume of information involved, this website may nevertheless contain information that inadvertently includes non-public personally identifiable information or other sensitive content, to include matters of a sexual nature. In the event a member of the public identifies any information that should not have been posted, please notify us immediately at [email protected] so we can take steps to correct the problem as soon as possible.

Redactions of victim names and other identifying information have been applied. In audio files, redactions of victim names and other identifying information have been implemented through the use of a steady, solid tone.

That don't cut it. The justifications need to be specific and explicit.

[Maxmars]

Ah YES!

New investigations are now ongoing how Epstein made his fortune.  

 Scams, schemes, ruthless cons: The untold story of how Epstein got rich. 

I haven't done as much research as many people here have, but it always appeared to me (at least) the Epstein and his "empire of wealth' was kind of a 'PR' thing... his wealth may well have all been "given to him" by "sponsors" who are still hiding today... even sponsor "entities" like corporations, and forums, and commissions....

It breaks my heart that the very sources of information are in no way 'innocent' in regards to the damage they engender... somehow "today" they are virtuous...  (that's a old trick)

Epstein's "money" was always "bait."