Plane collides with Blackhawk helicopter Washington DC

[quintessentone]

A thousand hours total is extremely low. A thousand hours in a specific platform isn't necessarily. And no pilot is going to experience everything. A long Blackhawk mission is two hours, with many of their flights being an hour or less. When you're talking short flights like that, 1,000 hours gets quite a bit of experience, and deals with quite a bit.

They're looking at human error, because a midair is always human error on some level. The question is who, and how.

That makes sense that flying the same route often certainly does make one very experienced with that one route, but does not add valuable experience in different scenarios. Now I am learning the helicopter was flying at the wrong elevation.

[Zaphod58]

Both data recorders from the CRJ are being worked on at the NTSB. The UH-60 CSMU won’t be recovered until after the body recovery is completed.

[Encia22]

CNN has a new video of the crash in the first minute of the report. The rest of the video covers various aspects, including a near helicopter/plane incident just the day prior, forcing the plane to abort its landing. Worth watching the whole 10 mins., as there's more updated info.

[Zaphod58]

As far as a DEI hire, I doubt it. The tower was understaffed and the helicopter was probably camouflaged. It sounds like a few more staff might possibly have prevented the tragedy.

If anything, Trump himself is a bit too old, and intellectually challenged, especially in the demands of the role he finds himself in. A DEI hire, anyone?... But of course, if he's actually really a sock puppet, a front-man under the complete control of a new 'alternate' deep state?...

And, here's the thing that people seem to be missing - the blackhawk was supposedly conducting a "continuity of government" exercise. Which government would that be? Who might have ordered such an exercise, preparing to surreptitiously run into hiding from the White house? Who might ultimately be responsible for the circumstances that led to the crash?

They run these flights fairly often. The last thing you want is to have someone flying a flight in an unfamiliar area with a VIP on board. This was an annual certification flight for a CoG mission at night. They have to be recertified every year. 

Someone did a video showing what the helicopter crew most likely saw, through NVGs, and there's about two seconds right before impact where you could make out the PSA flight. The PSA flight was turning, so that would have blocked early view of the Blackhawk, and once they rolled out they would have been looking at the runway, ensuring they were lined up, and on glideslope.

[Zaphod58]

The family of the second pilot requested the Pentagon delay releasing their name. Pilot Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Loyd Eaves has yet to be recovered, and he is officially listed as DUSTWUN. Crew Chief Staff Sgt Ryan Austin O'Hara was recovered, but is pending positive identification. The third crew member hasn't been identified at the request of the family, but is also listed as DUSTWUN.

CWO2 Eaves was in the Navy from 2007-2017 when he transferred to the Army, and became a UH-60 pilot. He received multiple commendations and awards during his career. 

Staff Sgt O'Hara served as UH-60 repair from 2014. He deployed to Afghanistan in 2017, and also received multiple commendations and awards.

[Zaphod58]

The FDR from the PSA flight was recovered in good condition. The CVR showed water intrusion, but they're working on drying it out and recovering the data. The CSMU from the UH-60 was recovered in good condition.

[Encia22]

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[MonkMode]

CNN has a new video of the crash in the first minute of the report. The rest of the video covers various aspects, including a near helicopter/plane incident just the day prior, forcing the plane to abort its landing. Worth watching the whole 10 mins., as there's more updated info.

That looks like a suicide bomber flying the Blackhawk to me.

The Blackhawk pilot was warned 1 minute before, that the AA flight was approaching at around 1200 altitude.

The Blackhawk pilot flew brazenly toward the AA flight and probably would have missed it, had the pilot not swerved to hit it at the last second.

[Zaphod58]

That looks like a suicide bomber flying the Blackhawk to me.

The Blackhawk pilot was warned 1 minute before, that the AA flight was approaching at around 1200 altitude.

The Blackhawk pilot flew brazenly toward the AA flight and probably would have missed it, had the pilot not swerved to hit it at the last second.

There were three planes in the area. The helicopter pilot reported having the PSA flight in sight but could have easily misidentified the American A319 behind the PSA and never even seen the flight they collided with.

[MonkMode]

There were three planes in the area. The helicopter pilot reported having the PSA flight in sight but could have easily misidentified the American A319 behind the PSA and never even seen the flight they collided with.

IMO:

It looks like the Blackhawk both swerved and ascended to hit the plane, after the pilot was warned of the approaching airline’s altitude.

ATC didn’t assume the pilot had malicious intent.