NATO approves use of deep strike weapons against Russia

[IDELB2006]

Let's just say by that time, there was a high probability, Zelensky had likely already been bought and paid for by other interests, American or otherwise

That is what some have been claiming ever since Trump got caught trying to bribe Zelensky, yet your quote does not offer any evidence to back it up. 

Lets face it, Trump's persecution complex stems from his attempts to frame the Biden family for the same things Trump was doing himself.

[putnam6]

That is what some have been claiming ever since Trump got caught trying to bribe Zelensky, yet your quote does not offer any evidence to back it up. 

Lets face it, Trump's persecution complex stems from his attempts to frame the Biden family for the same things Trump was doing himself.

Let's face it... There's nothing wrong with Trump pressuring Zelensky; it happens with world leaders all the time. Sure, Trump uses the New York businessman schtick as opposed to Biden's Scranton Scraper persona, they are all are crooked to a degree

[UltraBudgie]

That is what some have been claiming ever since Trump got caught trying to bribe Zelensky, yet your quote does not offer any evidence to back it up. 

Lets face it, Trump's persecution complex stems from his attempts to frame the Biden family for the same things Trump was doing himself.

Trump's justification for his actions (bribery?) involve Zelensky's firing of Viktor Shokin, who was investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian company associated with Hunter Biden. His claim is that the firing was instigated by Biden to protect his family's shady dealings. USA Today helpfully provides this fact check, though:

Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts

It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians.

As European and American diplomats pressed Ukraine to clean up its corruption, they focused on Shokin's leadership of the Prosecutor General's Office, which he took over in February 2015.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fact...991434002/

To the thread topic, Germany's chancellor has rolled back their statement a little. From Le Monde:

Merz had sown doubt on Monday by declaring at a conference in Berlin that there was no longer "any range restriction on the weapons we deliver – neither by the British, nor by the French, nor by us, nor by the Americans" to Ukraine. These remarks could have been interpreted as a willingness to send Taurus missiles to Kyiv, as he had repeatedly promised before the legislative elections of February 23. "This means that Ukraine can now defend itself, for example by attacking military positions in Russia. It could not do that until now," he added.

On Tuesday, he corrected his own comments, insisting he had merely "described something that has been happening for months," namely that no restrictions apply to how Ukraine uses the weapons at its disposal. His predecessor, Olaf Scholz, had always refused to supply long-range missiles to Ukraine, fearing both that it would make Germany a "co-belligerent" and that it would alienate a public opinion divided over the terms of support for Ukraine.

https://archive.ph/5759T (no paywall)

[putnam6]

To the thread topic, Germany's chancellor has rolled back their statement a little. From Le Monde:

https://archive.ph/5759T (no paywall)

Feels like we're in diplomatic mode through the press...

[sahgwa]

I frequently see people pointing out Ukraine/Zelensky corruption, yet the main reason Trump dislikes him is due to Zelenski not accepting Trumps bribe to investigate the Bidens.

Kinda ironic.

That's only ironic if you have no understanding of logic.  Why would Zelensky investigate the very hand that fed and propped him up via the Maidan 'homegrown' Colour Revolution via Nuland , McCain and Obama/Biden? Think for a second... lol

[putnam6]

That's only ironic if you have no understanding of logic.  Why would Zelensky investigate the very hand that fed and propped him up via the Maidan 'homegrown' Colour Revolution via Nuland , McCain and Obama/Biden? Think for a second... lol

If China sent thier government officials to Mexico City to politically terraform like Nuland and McCain did in Ukraine... how would America respond...

[sahgwa]

If China sent thier government officials to Mexico City to politically terraform like Nuland and McCain did in Ukraine... how would America respond...

No shit! Exactly!

[putnam6]

No shit! Exactly!

But thats the problem, 80%, if not more of America and elsewhere, has no idea who Victoria Nuland is, they don't know the background.

One can understand why Russia would be pissed, while not agreeing with thier SMO choice and prefer a Ukrainian victory but without a coherent plan for victory want American involvement to cease or send aid at much lower levels.

Would should have played mediator to begin with, or completely ignored it like Obama did when they took Crimea

[sahgwa]

But thats the problem, 80%, if not more of America and elsewhere, has no idea who Victoria Nuland is, they don't know the background.

One can understand why Russia would be pissed, while not agreeing with thier SMO choice and prefer a Ukrainian victory but without a coherent plan for victory want American involvement to cease or send aid at much lower levels.

Would should have played mediator to begin with, or completely ignored it like Obama did when they took Crimea

No to mention I have personal experience with family living and working in both Georgia, Ukraine, and Poland, all coincidentally most definitely not even close not even a tiny bit of trying to surround Russia not one tiny bit no sir.  Totally unprovoked Russian aggression I tell you.

[Tecate]

Anyone remember “War Pigs” by Black Sabbath?

ask yourself who gains from this? Obviously the MIC, Mister Z? Putin?
Trump et al? Just a question, perhaps a subtle reminder that nothing is done at that level without everything being thought through and accounted for.

Did we forget GWB flying onto an aircraft carrier to say “Mission Accomplished “?
Then Halliburton raping the Middle East at the world’s expense?

As usual, my 2 pesos…

Tecate