NATO approves use of deep strike weapons against Russia

[RickyD]

  Most of the time you get crises come in now and then but when a collapse occurs the collapse by definition seems to be a nonstop crisis , all the signs are there that the present system has run its course. The civilian free trade economy is being run as a command economy posing as a free trade one. This happens during every collapse when the ruling elite just want to keep things going a bit longer. What has to happen next is peace or a hot war. I am amazed that the containment of the hot war has mostly stayed in Ukraine , the only reason it has is because Russia has been playing for time to fight at a place and time of its choosing when ready. 
 The West is essentially bombing Russia, I would imagine when the real war finally breaks out, it will not last long, and since the USA do not seem to have a very good record of winning wars the likely outcome will be some hurried negotiations with the general Western populations not being much wiser as to what is going on than they are now, but a lot more poorer.

Even more to my point...as much as nuclear weapons are what they are...its an undeniable check and balance between the most capably destructive and powerful nations. Something we didn't have before the end of WWII. Everytime powerful nations got in our position before...war was the inevitable stop gap to last ditch save their way of thinking. Now the most capable of destruction and casualty are handicapped by their most powerful capabilities. I am happy about that and think the last 60 years would have played out way worse had it not been invented. In fact had those first nukes not been used on Japan and the war just ended...we would have developed them further but no one would have a realistic perspective on what their use actually meant. The cold war probably wouldn't have been cold...and we probably wouldn't be around to chat on a forum.

[putnam6]

  Most of the time you get crises come in now and then but when a collapse occurs the collapse by definition seems to be a nonstop crisis , all the signs are there that the present system has run its course. The civilian free trade economy is being run as a command economy posing as a free trade one. This happens during every collapse when the ruling elite just want to keep things going a bit longer. What has to happen next is peace or a hot war. I am amazed that the containment of the hot war has mostly stayed in Ukraine , the only reason it has is because Russia has been playing for time to fight at a place and time of its choosing when ready. 
 The West is essentially bombing Russia, I would imagine when the real war finally breaks out, it will not last long, and since the USA do not seem to have a very good record of winning wars the likely outcome will be some hurried negotiations with the general Western populations not being much wiser as to what is going on than they are now, but a lot more poorer.

One man's collapse is another man's evolution, it just doesn't feel that desperately dramatic ....yet 

America's military ability and combat readiness scale differ from the political results of its wars. America performs better with a clear battle plan, America's Navy and Air Force are solid AF, and the US Marines 

All the superpowers and major participants have thier questionable military engagements, but no other country in the modern era is compelled to FIGHT wars like the US. Uncle Sam held out as long as possible in both WWI and WWII 

Respectfully, we could be living in The Man in the High Castle, and nothing was certain in WWII

[Kurokage]

Dude, I do not mind at all being called out if Im incorrect, please do so.....


All I did was repost an X.com post about Jens Stoltenberg, former NATO, pleading for long-range weapons use,

I think you called yourself out in your response here.  He's Former Nato.....

[Inspector44]

Absolutely pushing for the end of days in my opinion.
Should stay out of it.

oh well, I hope the flash is close enough so I don’t have to watch my loved ones suffer and die a slow radiation poisoning death.

Fucking morons the lot.

Ukraine isn’t a NATO country, it was only the 3rd most corrupt nation in the world, the best money laundering nation ever until this.

I hope Zelenskyy gets vaporized first.
Oh well, been good to be here as long as I have.


My 2 pesos…

Tecate

Meh, I live in what FEMA considers a tertiary target zone where prevailing winds would take radiation north and east of us and I'm far enough away from OKC to survive anything short of the tsar bomba. Besides, the world could use a reduction in the human population.

[RickyD]

One man's collapse is another man's evolution, it just doesn't feel that desperately dramatic ....yet 

America's military ability and combat readiness scale differ from the political results of its wars. America performs better with a clear battle plan, America's Navy and Air Force are solid AF, and the US Marines 

All the superpowers and major participants have thier questionable military engagements, but no other country in the modern era is compelled to FIGHT wars like the US. Uncle Sam held out as long as possible in both WWI and WWII 

Respectfully, we could be living in The Man in the High Castle, and nothing was certain in WWII

I'd say it was the learned and adapted force projection we learned in WWII and perfected in the decades following that makes us that world power that everyone calls. Not a single nation on earth can project their military like the US...and we kinda rule the waves. No one is really able to do much to mainland US aside from lob missiles. You'd need to get your army to us to actually take the fight to us and he only realistic way is by ship...those would make coral reefs real fast. If we just stopped making enemies on what seems like purpose I think most nations would be happy to be friends with the nation on top.

[putnam6]

I'd say it was the learned and adapted force projection we learned in WWII and perfected in the decades following that makes us that world power that everyone calls. Not a single nation on earth can project their military like the US...and we kinda rule the waves. No one is really able to do much to mainland US aside from lob missiles. You'd need to get your army to us to actually take the fight to us and he only realistic way is by ship...those would make coral reefs real fast. If we just stopped making enemies on what seems like purpose I think most nations would be happy to be friends with the nation on top.

These positives outweigh the negatives

It's been well evidenced that Uncle Sam has a rogue element problem in certain departments and has had this for decades... that loves sticking its nose everywhere.

Still, most countries do that, Israel and the UK are always up in Uncle Sam's business

[sahgwa]

  Most of the time you get crises come in now and then but when a collapse occurs the collapse by definition seems to be a nonstop crisis , all the signs are there that the present system has run its course. The civilian free trade economy is being run as a command economy posing as a free trade one. This happens during every collapse when the ruling elite just want to keep things going a bit longer. What has to happen next is peace or a hot war. I am amazed that the containment of the hot war has mostly stayed in Ukraine , the only reason it has is because Russia has been playing for time to fight at a place and time of its choosing when ready. 
 The West is essentially bombing Russia, I would imagine when the real war finally breaks out, it will not last long, and since the USA do not seem to have a very good record of winning wars the likely outcome will be some hurried negotiations with the general Western populations not being much wiser as to what is going on than they are now, but a lot more poorer.

That is a very good point.
At the end of they day, it's always the Economy stupid.
Which means, corruption.

A few things on my mind.
1. I love how this was 'never a proxy war, it was always Poor Ukey defending itself. Nothing to do with NATO or the USA'  lol Now suddenly the truth is out. Always very late for the mainstreamers. 
2. This is a clear and unsurprising escalation based on the news I posted about previously (2 weeks ago?) where the EU was constantly signalling it's gung ho BS to salivate the war machine with no intention insight to de-escalate and to actively SABOTAGE peace talks via backhand dealings and piss poor optics on MSM
3. So it's no surprise Trump says fukit. I am not going to hold your hand when you OBVIOUSLY don't want peace.

I hope the EU reaps what it has sown.

And I hope Russia stops at the Eastern territories, as this was only ever about their own regime change in Kiev, originally; in defence of USA meddling. 
Bidenenko Obama shits couldnt sit and leave well the hell alone.

[sahgwa]

I'd say it was the learned and adapted force projection we learned in WWII and perfected in the decades following that makes us that world power that everyone calls. Not a single nation on earth can project their military like the US...and we kinda rule the waves. No one is really able to do much to mainland US aside from lob missiles. You'd need to get your army to us to actually take the fight to us and he only realistic way is by ship...those would make coral reefs real fast. If we just stopped making enemies on what seems like purpose I think most nations would be happy to be friends with the nation on top.

Logistics and intel logistics and intel

[sahgwa]

Respectfully, we could be living in The Man in the High Castle, and nothing was certain in WWII

We are- kinda.  They are just 'disguised'

[putnam6]

We are- kinda.  They are just 'disguised'

No, I mean immediately after WWII, there would be no Europe hell, they may be no China and didn't the Nazi's have plans for Africa too. 

Uncle Sam shaped our global fate, and now, 80 years later, we're unjustly criticized for it. This criticism has nothing to do with our current decline.

The world would have been a lot different. 

Don't get me started, though I dig alternate history.