Iran is the Graveyard of American Hegemony

[chr0naut]

Picked a topic at random from your source because i dont feel like debunking the entire list here's what happened about the "Nigerian conflict where we "lost"
 

• July 2023 Coup: Relations deteriorated rapidly after Niger's military junta overthrew the democratically elected president. Per U.S. law, the Biden administration designated the takeover a coup in October 2023, halting most military aid and counterterrorism operations.
  
• March 2024 Eviction: Following tense diplomatic meetings, Niger’s ruling military junta officially revoked the status-of-forces agreement, declaring the American military presence in the country illegal.
  
• July 2024 Base 101 Exit: The U.S. completed its pullout from its smaller transport hub, Air Base 101, located in the capital city of Niamey.
  
• August 2024 Base 201 Exit: The final 600 American personnel vacated Air Base 201 ahead of the September 15 deadline. Troops stripped the base of weapons and sensitive communications gear but left behind modular housing and heavy generators.
  

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/...rom-ab-201 - and there's my source from the horses mouth

Doesnt really look like a defeat to me looks like we were assisting the democratically elected officials there and a military coup overthrew them so we left lol

Idgaf about Trump, if you think america is assailable come and fuckin assail it, if you are not, why even bring it up at all?
The only way anyone can assail America is with their words. If they could, they would, and you know it.

So, was it a win?

[quintessentone]

So, was it a win?

I keep hearing from military podcasters that this is and/or can turn out to be like various Vietnam scenarios.

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"Many analysts and political commentators argue that the ongoing conflict in Iran is becoming another Vietnam for the United States, citing parallels in strategic overreach, asymmetric warfare, and domestic political backlash.  While initial U.S. operations relied on air superiority and AI-led decapitation strikes, Iran’s resilient, protracted resistance and global economic impact mirror the attrition strategy that defined the Vietnam era." (LLM)

"Strategic and Military Parallels

• Asymmetric Attrition: Iran has adopted a strategy similar to the Viet Cong, using missile stockpiles, proxy networks, and geographic advantages to offset U.S. technological superiority. This has led to a costly war of attrition that depletes U.S. munitions and challenges American resolve. 
  
• Escalation Risks: Experts warn that deploying U.S. ground troops could trigger a "quagmire," as Iran’s vast terrain and population make occupation difficult. The conflict has already destabilized global energy markets, with Iran threatening the Strait of Hormuz, echoing the broader regional entanglements of the Vietnam War. 
  
• Historical Trajectory: Analysts note that the U.S. initially underestimated Iran’s will to fight, leading to a situation where military victories do not translate into political success. The conflict’s trajectory suggests a pattern of limited initial actions expanding into a larger, unsustainable ground war. 
  

Domestic and Political Impact

• Public Opinion: Polls indicate that the war is as unpopular with Americans as the Vietnam War was in the 1970s.  Only 41% approval for the operation has been recorded, with 59% opposing escalation into a full war. 
  
• Economic Consequences: Rising fuel prices and inflation are driving domestic discontent, with many Americans citing the high cost of living as a primary concern. This economic strain mirrors the social unrest that fueled anti-war movements in the 1960s. 
  
• Political Fallout: The conflict poses significant risks to the Republican Party, with midterm elections potentially turning on the war’s unpopularity. Critics argue that the war drains resources from domestic issues and weakens the U.S. global standing, similar to the legacy of Vietnam. 
  

Counterarguments and Distinctions

• Casualty Levels: Some observers note that the current conflict is not yet "another Vietnam" in terms of human cost, with significantly lower U.S. military casualties compared to the 58,220 deaths in Vietnam. 
  
• Different Context: The Iran War is distinct in its reliance on precision airstrikes and AI, rather than the mass troop deployments characteristic of Vietnam. However, the risk of escalation remains a central concern among policy experts. 
  

In summary, while the Iran War differs in technology and initial casualty rates, its strategic, economic, and political dynamics closely resemble the Vietnam War.  The conflict’s protracted nature and domestic unpopularity suggest it could become a defining moment of American strategic overreach, with long-term consequences for U.S. global influence." (LLM)

https://foreignpolicy.com/2026/04/23/ira...p-oil-war/

"Meanwhile, the director of the U.S. Defense Department’s Defense Intelligence Agency, Marine Corps Lt. Gen. James H. Adams, conceded during congressional testimony that Iran “retains thousands” of missiles and one-way attack drones. CBS reported on April 22 that about half of Iran’s stockpile of ballistic missiles and launch systems were still intact as of the start of the cease-fire on April 8, along with about 60 percent of the IRGC’s naval arm, which is used to disrupt the strait.
These numbers tend to belie statements from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who declared on the day the cease-fire began that “Operation Epic Fury was a historic and overwhelming victory on the battlefield.”"

[ReturnofBroccoli]

So, was it a win?

It was neither because it wasn't even what you said it was lol the United States did not fight the military coup in Niger. Instead of engaging in military conflict, the U.S. initially paused foreign aid and attempted to negotiate for a return to constitutional democracy and the U.S. formally withdrew all troops from the country in 2024

[chr0naut]

It was neither because it wasn't even what you said it was lol the United States did not fight the military coup in Niger. Instead of engaging in military conflict, the U.S. initially paused foreign aid and attempted to negotiate for a return to constitutional democracy and the U.S. formally withdrew all troops from the country in 2024

You need troops to pause foreign aid and to negotiate?

Attacks
Between 2015 and 2017, American personnel had been involved in at least 10 firefights while operating with partner Nigeriens. In these past firefights excluding the October 2017 ambush no American or Nigerien personnel were killed or wounded. In some of the attacks enemy combatants had been killed with at least 32 killed in the October and December 2017 incidents.

Tongo Tongo ambush
Further information: Tongo Tongo ambush
On October 4, 2017 a joint American and Nigerien force of 46 personnel and eight vehicles was ambushed outside the village of Tongo Tongo by an estimated force of over 50 militants with around 20 motorcycles and 12 technicals from the Islamic State in the Greater Sahara (ISGS). During the firefight which lasted for more than three hours, four American, four Nigerien and at least 21 ISGS militants died and eight Nigerien and two Americans including the teams commander were wounded. The battle came to an end after French Mirage 2000 fighter jets and helicopters carrying 53 special forces and three Nigerien response elements of at least 100 soldiers and a helicopter reached the village, however the fight was over as the enemy had departed the area.

December 2017 attack
On December 6, 2017 two months after the October ambush a joint force of American Green Berets and Nigerien soldiers were attacked by Islamic State – West Africa Province militants in the Chad Lake basin Region. During the firefight 11 militants died including two wearing suicide vests, one weapons cache was also destroyed during the operation. No American or Nigerien soldiers were killed or wounded.

- from Wikipedia.

The truth is, the US forces were kicked out by a military junta, who had not been elected, who had suspended Nigeria's Constitution, ending Constitutional democratic process, who were supported by an influx of Russian troops, and who announced its intention to evict US and French forces, which it did:

United States withdrawal

On October 26, 2023, the U.S. Senate rejected legislation that would have forced President Joe Biden to withdraw US troops from Niger.

In March 2024, Niger's ruling military council, known as the CNSP, declared the suspension of a military agreement with the United States. However, Pentagon officials stated that they have not yet formally received this request from Niger.

On April 12, dozens of Russian military instructors have arrived in Niger as part of a new agreement with the country's junta.

On April 19, the U.S. Department of State agreed to pull out all 1,000 US troops from the country. On May 15, US and Nigerien officials met in Niamey to discuss and coordinate the forces withdrawal. Pentagon confirmed that US troops will complete their withdrawal from Niger by mid-September 2024.

On July 7, U.S. completed withdrawal of all troops from Air Base 101, while 500 remaining troops left Air Base 201 on August 5, 2024.

- from Wikipedia

[ReturnofBroccoli]

You need troops to pause foreign aid an to negotiate?

- Quoted from Wikipedia.

According to both our posts the troops were there prior to the coup and withdrew because we simply weren't going to support the coup side. While there it says on your post no troops died and militants did

Thanks for posting information in support of exactly what im saying

[chr0naut]

According to both our posts the troops were there prior to the coup and withdrew because we simply weren't going to support the coup side. While there it says on your post no troops died and militants did

Thanks for posting information in support of exactly what im saying

There were casualties on both sides in the whole conflict - 4 US servicemen were killed (in battle) and 2 were injured (in battle) out of a force of only 1,000 US soldiers.

There was only one battle where there were no US casualties.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

There were casualties on both sides in the whole conflict. There was only one battle where there were no US casualties.

 Does this look like a loss to you? And thats all the way up to present day where we are currently killing ISIS militants alongside Nigerians AGAIN

Remember it was listed as a loss ON YOUR SOURCE

• Troop Involvement: At the time of the incident, there were approximately 800 U.S. military personnel in Niger conducting advise-and-assist operations. (In 2024, the U.S. formally withdrew all 1,000 U.S. troops from Niger following the 2023 coup d'état).
  
• Troops Lost: Four U.S. Army soldiers (Staff Sgt. Bryan C. Black, Staff Sgt. Jeremiah W. Johnson, Staff Sgt. Dustin M. Wright, and Sgt. La David Johnson) were killed in action
  

[chr0naut]

 Does this look like a loss to you? And thats all the way up to present day where we are currently killing ISIS militants alongside Nigerians AGAIN

Remember it was listed as a loss ON YOUR SOURCE

• Troop Involvement: At the time of the incident, there were approximately 800 U.S. military personnel in Niger conducting advise-and-assist operations. (In 2024, the U.S. formally withdrew all 1,000 U.S. troops from Niger following the 2023 coup d'état).
  
• Troops Lost: Four U.S. Army soldiers (Staff Sgt. Bryan C. Black, Staff Sgt. Jeremiah W. Johnson, Staff Sgt. Dustin M. Wright, and Sgt. La David Johnson) were killed in action
  

Think of it like Vietnam or Afghanistan - not wins, where US Troops scarpered, leaving their opponents in charge of a country they tried to defend.

I'm sure they ran away very nobly and with great decorum in their view of what happened.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Think of it like Vietnam or Afghanistan - not wins, where US Troops scarpered, leaving their opponents in charge of a country they tried to defend.

I'm sure they ran away very nobly and with great decorum in their view of what happened.
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Lol they withdrew not ran away out of fear and it was because the coup made it illegal to stay. We withdrew from Iraq too because countries need to learn to stand on their own feet. America is tired of being captain save a ho its yalls turn now

[chr0naut]

Lol they withdrew not ran away out of fear and it was because the coup made it illegal to stay. We withdrew from Iraq too because countries need to learn to stand on their own feet. America is tired of being captain save a ho its yalls turn now

You know, in the 80's, the US also fought against Iran. The 'Iran-Iraq' war was said to have ended when the US withdrew their troops from Iraq. Hmm....

Apparently, Iran, a combined theocracy and democracy, have stood on their own feet far too well for US interests.

Iran and the US have been at war for decades. Here’s how it began

But let me use an analogy,

In a football game, if a team just walk off the field before the end of the match, haven't they just forfeited the game and therefore their opponents get awarded the victory?

If a military force withdraws, leaving their opponents in power, then that military force have lost. A strategic withdrawal, with intent to hide an attack on a different front might not be a loss, but one where the intent is just to simply get outta there, it is a defeat.