IOC to ban transgender women from all female Olympic events

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A new Olympic study challenges a flawed misconception about trans women in sports

That MSNBC article is unreadable; they keep calling men women.

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That MSNBC article is unreadable; they keep calling men women.

Ha ha. Failed try UB, that article states trans women, not women. Your phobia or propaganda is showing.

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Ha ha. Failed try UB, that article states trans women, not women. Your phobia or propaganda is showing.

"Trans" is an adjective, which when used in reference to sex indicates someone with the delusion they are the opposite sex that they actually are. In the compound phrase "trans woman", it is used to modify the noun "woman". Thus, the proper way to use the phrase is that "trans woman" refers to a woman who is pretending to be a man, and "trans man" refers to a man who is pretending to be a woman. The article you linked to gets it wrong, which for a news organization that purports to report on reality undermines their credibility. Although, it is MSNBC, so that isn't too surprising.

I'm not going to take a knee to leftist insistance that I am required to validate their fetishes.

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"Trans" is an adjective, which when used in reference to sex indicates someone with the delusion they are the opposite sex that they actually are. In the compound phrase "trans woman", it is used to modify the noun "woman". Thus, the proper way to use the phrase is that "trans woman" refers to a woman who is pretending to be a man, and "trans man" refers to a man who is pretending to be a woman. The article you linked to gets it wrong, which for a news organization that purports to report on reality undermines their credibility. Although, it is MSNBC, so that isn't too surprising.

I'm not going to take a knee to leftist insistance that I am required to validate their fetishes.

This is the conclusion of the actual study. As mentioned before, this is the one and only study thus far, and more are needed for a consensus of what is actually going on here.

"Conclusion While longitudinal transitioning studies of transgender athletes are urgently needed, these results should caution against precautionary bans and sport eligibility exclusions that are not based on sport-specific (or sport-relevant) research."

So the source I posted did get it right.

Strength, power and aerobic capacity of transgender athletes: a cross-sectional study | British Journal of Sports Medicine

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This is the conclusion of the actual study. As mentioned before, this is the one and only study thus far, and more are needed for a consensus of what is actually going on here.

"Conclusion While longitudinal transitioning studies of transgender athletes are urgently needed, these results should caution against precautionary bans and sport eligibility exclusions that are not based on sport-specific (or sport-relevant) research."

So the source I posted did get it right.

Strength, power and aerobic capacity of transgender athletes: a cross-sectional study | British Journal of Sports Medicine

More studies are not really needed, the proof is in the pudding


Why did Lia Thomas, formally William Thomas, (a name nobody ever heard until this event) go from being ranked 65th in the men's 500 freestyle, but magically won the women's 500 freestyle and broke a NCAA record? 


How about Fallon Fox, formally Boyd Burton, another name nobody had heard of until they got into women's MMA and started cracking women's skulls in the ring. 


But yeah, trans "women" have no advantage......

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So the source I posted did get it right.

Nope. From the study:

Methods: 19 cisgender men (mean±SD, age: 37±9 years), 12 transgender men (age: 34±7 years), 23 transgender women (age: 34±10 years) and 21 cisgender women (age: 30±9 years) underwent a series of standard laboratory performance tests...

If they were reality-based, that would be:

Methods: 19 non-transgender-identifying men (mean±SD, age: 37±9 years), 12 transgender-identifying women (age: 34±7 years), 23 transgender-identifying men (age: 34±10 years) and 21 non-transgender-identifying women (age: 30±9 years) underwent a series of standard laboratory performance tests...

The delusional language they use reveals their inherent bias. Thus, the study is useless unscientific garbage.

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More studies are not really needed, the proof is in the pudding


Why did Lia Thomas, formally William Thomas, (a name nobody ever heard until this event) go from being ranked 65th in the men's 500 freestyle, but magically won the women's 500 freestyle and broke a NCAA record? 


How about Fallon Fox, formally Boyd Burton, another name nobody had heard of until they got into women's MMA and started cracking women's skulls in the ring. 


But yeah, trans "women" have no advantage......

I agree they should have not permitted transwomen into women's sports without proper research for fairness and a consensus of fact from other studies/research. They only have one study so far, so that really can't be the holy grail in determining anything related to this issue.

Edit to add: from the actual study:

"Furthermore, two transgender women and one cisgender woman were excluded from all analyses due to testosterone concentrations exceeding recommended female testosterone concentrations (2.7 nmol/L15)."

I was thinking of how some cis women in women's sport may be taking steroids or hormones for a unfair advantage, and it looks like the issue of fairness transends beyond transgender.

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Blanket bans are a poor and inequitable solution not to mention simply lazy and politically driven. Transgender people have been allowed to compete in the Olympics since 2004. None have ever won a medal.

I won't repeat myself but I clearly stated my position on the trans in sports issue in this post noting that is complicated but not an unsolvable problem.

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Blanket bans are a poor and inequitable solution not to mention simply lazy and politically driven. Transgender people have been allowed to compete in the Olympics since 2004. None have ever won a medal.

I won't repeat myself but I clearly stated my position on the trans in sports issue in this post noting that is complicated but not an unsolvable problem.

Oh it is definitely politically driven at this point in time, but without consensus how can the IOC claim any degree of fairness?

Here is an interesting counter-argument study on how one study cannot be definitive in answering the hard questions.

I think it's too way too complex an issue but I agree with you it may be solvable in the future with more research.

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"While more research is required for definitive answers, the current data demonstrates that estrogen therapy in transwomen can drive some brain structures towards that of the biological female [71,72,73] but does not do so quickly and appears to not reformat the sex-typical male brain responses into a female-like brain. This is compatible with the concept that both the in utero and perinatal surges of testosterone secretion occurring in males drive permanent sex differences in brain structure and function which are apparent in young boys before puberty [74]. Human spatial ability, for example, appears beneficially affected by prenatal androgens [75,76], with second trimester testosterone levels correlated positively in biological females and negatively in biological males at age 7 [77]."


"4. Conclusions

Testosterone drives much of the enhanced athletic performance of males through in utero, early life, and adult exposure. Many anatomical sex differences driven by testosterone are not reversible. Hemoglobin levels and muscle mass are sensitive to adult life testosterone levels, with hemoglobin being the most responsive. Studies in transgender women, and androgen-deprivation treated cancer patients, show muscle mass is retained for many months, even years, and that co-comittant exercise mitigates muscle loss. Given that sports are currently segregated into male and female divisions because of superior male athletic performance, and that estrogen therapy will not reverse most athletic performance parameters, it follows that transgender women will enter the female division with an inherent advantage because of their prior male physiology.
 
The current IOC regulations allow transwomen athletes to compete if testosterone levels have been lowered to <10 nmol/L for 12 months prior to competition. While this begins to address the advantageous effects of circulating testosterone on athletic performance, it does not take into account the advantage afforded by testosterone exposure prior to transitioning. The existing data suggests that lowering testosterone to less than 10 nmol/L for 12 months decreases muscle mass but not to biological female levels and despite the decrease in mass, muscle strength can be maintained, especially if concurrently exercising.

Estrogen therapy does not affect most of the anatomical structures in the biological male that provide a physiological benefit. Hemoglobin levels are lowered by estrogen therapy, and consequently, maximum aerobic effort may be lower, but this parameter will only be manifested if testosterone levels are suppressed to levels within the biological female range and maintained for extended periods of time.

Reported studies show it is difficult to continuously suppress testosterone in transgender women. Given that the percentage difference between medal placings at the elite level is normally less than 1%, there must be confidence that an elite transwoman athlete retains no residual advantage from former testosterone exposure, where the inherent advantage depending on sport could be 10–30%.

Current scientific evidence can not provide such assurances and thus, under abiding rulings, the inclusion of transwomen in the elite female division needs to be reconsidered for fairness to female-born athletes."

Transwoman Elite Athletes: Their Extra Percentage Relative to Female Physiology - PMC

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About time all I have to say.

Mental illness is what all this shit is.