IOC to ban transgender women from all female Olympic events

[UltraBudgie]

I can't bring myself to identify the circumstance as "illness."  Anymore than it is ill to abandon your family and friends for a new faith. Or is it ill, to find a passion your community rejects in anger and disdain?

The problem is the never-ending self-imposed requirement to be as everyone else is.
Society punished the individual who won't 'comply.'

I agree. Personally I've never had a transgender-identifying individual insist that I believe they are a women/man; they've only requested that I identify them as such. On an individual level, I've been inclined to agree: even though I think it is a delusion, what does it matter to me? People are allowed their quirks and worldviews. I'm not obligated to cater to them, but what does it hurt? But maybe that is no longer the case. The expectation of transgender men seems to have become that they really are women, and the entire world must pretend along with them. And, in fact, not even pretend, but really believe. That's the point, in my opinion, where self-delusion has crossed the line into mental illness, because it cripples the individual's ability to interact with sane society. And, if I play along, I'm actually doing harm by allowing them to dig themselves deeper into that.

I'm reminded of Catholics and their wine. That they believe that it really really turns into the blood of Christ. Not as a metaphor or symbol, but really, with red blood cells and everything. Okay. That is fine; religion is weird. But imagine, for example, if they then insisted that leftover communion wine be donated and added to the nation's transfusion blood supply for hospitals. Even if science showed that it really wasn't actual blood at all. That would be a similar line, where it is no longer an issue of individuals believing a certain delusion, but a mental illness of expecting and requiring the world to conform to it, come hell or high water, harmful or not.

[putnam6]

It’s not about hate it’s about common sense.   Apparently you don’t care about women’s right’s if you can’t see issue with males in women’s sports.  Every trans in women’s sports is taking away opportunities from women, some that have trained all there life only to have it taken away by a “woman” that was on a man’s team a year or two prior, it’s BS.  And on top of it you have women getting severely hurt as in the girl that had a volleyball drilled in her head by an trans and sent to the hospital.   

Anyone that condones this crap needs to have their heads examined.   It’s been proven time after time that it’s unfair to the women competing.

Morning ramblings...

Im of the same opinion here, didn't like the competitive advantages, but when you see born biological females getting pummeled. 

Every trans replaces a person who was BORN of a particular gender with all biological moving parts, aka they came with the undercoat already installed.  It's not fair if a spot is taken when. Technically, they could participate on the other side.

We can have a men's league, a women's league, and a trans person league, not perfect for all, but it works for the many and not just the less than 1% few. THATS IF 

If enough trans people were participating to make a difference, but they are not, we are talking well less than 1 percent of the population.

It's no different when one has a big family; sometimes the family does things that 1 or 2 members do not enjoy. The majority understands your displeasure, but why should they not enjoy themselves and do whatever the 1 or 2 want to do? 

Heaven forbid if you have a blended family, if the parents constantly did what only one person wanted to do at the expense of the other 3, it would be chaos

Society is working on it, but society has a shit ton of issues for all of us, the 99% like food, water, clean air, poverty, crime, etc., that are nowhere near being solved

Humans are tribal and clanish; it's in our DNA. We have been on the planet for 100,000 years, but we are still only quasi-civilized; who knows what the future brings. 

I'm aware it's not fair to the less than 1% but respectfully, it's not fair to the 99% either.  

What concerns me is that if we muddle our collective brains, fight, argue, file legal motions over the issues of micro percentages demographic, and let feelings on every damn issue rule, the world collective will be woefully unprepared for other, more pressing and humanity-related survival issues, aka the basics WE DON'T EVEN have covered.

Can guarantee over 1% of children are malnourished, at risk for diseases, live in a war-ravaged country, you see where Im going with this. 

All those problems have to wait, cause now Tina, who used to be Timmy, can't play in a Darts league?

We can "what if "this to death, it's about the percentages, the ratio of people involved 

The LGBTQ movement has made huge strides over the last decade, probably more progress more quickly than any other minority group EVER. 
Consolidate those gains... Work on sports-related issues in areas where it's not such a lightning rod of an issue

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* The International Chess Foundation has banned transgender women from competition.

* The World Darts Federation has banned transgender women from competition.

* The English Blackball Pool Federation has banned transgender women from competition.

* USA Archery has banned transgender women from competition.

* USBC, the national governing body for bowling has banned transgender women from competition.

Some of these I can almost understand or see the reasoning behind if I stretch my imagination but come on, really? Darts? Chess?

All these bans against transgender girls & women in sports aren't really what they seem.

The Real Threat to Women’s Sports? It’s Not Trans Athletes

Fact vs. Fiction: Breaking Down the Truth About Trans Women in Sports

The Impact of Transgender Sports Participation Bans on Transgender People in the US

The Moderate Case Against Transgender Sports Bans

OPINION: We are pediatricians. We oppose banning transgender youth from sports

With so much hysteria and hand wringing about trans girls in sports and trans in general, when all those naturally born female athletic and masculine leaning types and butch lesbians or even women that don't look feminine enough start and keep having their gender policed, maybe one of these days people will chill out on this whole thing that's been so completely blown out of proportion for such a small percentage of the population.

Nah, who am I kidding? Haters gonna hate, right?

If it's not hate, then what is it?

"According to a study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, transgender people are four times more likely to experience violent incidents, including sexual assault and aggravated assault, than cisgender people. About 25% of transgender people believed the crime they survived was a hate-related incident."

"According to the National Center for Transgender Equality, 20% of transgender people have experienced discrimination when searching for a new home or apartment, and 10% have been evicted due to their gender identity. This could be one reason why 20% of transgender people have been homeless at some point in their lives and why transgender people represent about 20%-40% of the homeless population in the U.S."

Source site won't load, here is the address:
webmb.com/sex-relationships/what-is-transphobia-or-transmisia

Again, there is no consensus and there seems to be small studies or contradictory studies or studies that don't get it quite right. Maybe the neuroscience studies may shed some light on this condition.

[AnAlternateOpinion]

Um, no they haven't. I checked, and each of them has sex-segregated tournaments and teams (for some reason—I don't see why but I'm not at the elite level in any of those sports). They allow men to compete in the men's sections and women to compete in the women's sections. No one is "banned".

So what you're basically saying is that transgender women aren't banned because they can compete in the men's division?

Yeah, that's gonna work well.

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So what you're basically saying is that transgender women aren't banned because they can compete in the men's division?

Yeah, that's gonna work well.

If those chess organizers grasp onto that study where they theorize that certain testosterone enhanced traits, such as spatial advantages exist and which they then say that some transgender women retain, then it only stands to reason we might see transwomen/men being banned in all sports categories. It also may show that transmen would be at a disadvantage when playing chess with cisgendered males.

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AI:

"The question of which gender is better at chess is complex and subjective. Research indicates that:

• Gender gaps exist: Studies show that male players generally have higher ratings and participation rates compared to female players, suggesting a potential advantage in chess performance. 
  
  
• Societal influences: Stereotypes and biases against female chess players contribute to their lower participation and success rates, often leading to a perception of female inferiority. 
  
  
• Statistical analysis: While some argue that male players are inherently superior, others suggest that differences in participation and societal perceptions rather than innate ability explain the gender gap. 
  
  In summary, while there are statistical advantages for male players, the gender gap in chess is influenced by various factors, including societal attitudes and participation rates."
  

[Unknownparadox]

This could be one reason why 20% of transgender people have been homeless at some point in their lives and why transgender people represent about 20%-40% of the homeless population in the U.S."

Yeah that's a crock of shit. 

1. You don't get to be trans by being poor. Unless the government really has been funding trans surgery. Which is elective surgery.

2. And according to this, which is far more believable.

 The LGBTQ+ community, particularly transgender, nonbinary, and questioning individuals, represents 1.2% of the homeless population
https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/unit...tatistics/

[quintessentone]

Yeah that's a crock of shit. 

1. You don't get to be trans by being poor. Unless the government really has been funding trans surgery. Which is elective surgery.

2. And according to this, which is far more believable.

AI:

"Homelessness in the USA for Transgender IndividualsTransgender individuals in the USA face a significant risk of homelessness, with statistics indicating that one in five transgender people has been discriminated against when seeking a home and one in ten has been evicted due to their gender identity. The lack of awareness and legal protections contribute to the ongoing issue of homelessness among transgender individuals.
Key statistics include:

• 28% of LGBTQ youth reported experiencing homelessness or housing instability at some point in their lives, with higher rates among transgender and nonbinary youth. 
  
  
• 40% of the 4.2 million youth experiencing homelessness are LGBTQ+. 
  
  
• Up to 40% of the 4.2 million youth experiencing homelessness are LGBTQ+. 
  
  Advocates and organizations are working to ensure that transgender individuals know their rights and that they are treated fairly in housing and homeless services."
  

[Unknownparadox]

AI:

"Homelessness in the USA for Transgender IndividualsTransgender individuals in the USA face a significant risk of homelessness, with statistics indicating that one in five transgender people has been discriminated against when seeking a home and one in ten has been evicted due to their gender identity. The lack of awareness and legal protections contribute to the ongoing issue of homelessness among transgender individuals.
Key statistics include:

• 28% of LGBTQ youth reported experiencing homelessness or housing instability at some point in their lives, with higher rates among transgender and nonbinary youth. 
  
  
• 40% of the 4.2 million youth experiencing homelessness are LGBTQ+. 
  
  
• Up to 40% of the 4.2 million youth experiencing homelessness are LGBTQ+. 
  
  Advocates and organizations are working to ensure that transgender individuals know their rights and that they are treated fairly in housing and homeless services."
  

While those numbers may be correct. I don't trust the bullshit machine. It is not artificial intelligence as it was innovatively billed as. It is a word prediction machine.

It has become common to describe these errors as “hallucinations.” But talking about ChatGPT this way is misleading and potentially damaging. Instead call it bullshit.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...lshitting/

 Now per your original post.

transgender people represent about 20%-40% of the homeless population in the U.S

That is bullshit. AKA a lie.

[quintessentone]

While those numbers may be correct. I don't trust the bullshit machine. It is not artificial intelligence as it was innovatively billed as. It is a word prediction machine.

 Now per your original post.
That is bullshit. AKA a lie.

True re: AI can be delusional, so here is a reality check from Gender Equality Network, which confirms homelessness has increased significantly in recent years - an alarming trend.

[Unknownparadox]

True re: AI can be delusional, so here is a reality check from Gender Equality Network, which confirms homelessness has increased significantly in recent years - an alarming trend.

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47-kqeNq...th=Mjg2NjY]

I don't need the gender equality people to tell me homelessness has increased. I see them on the streets. That is the one's the democrats and republicans haven't jailed. And they are not 20% to 40% transgender.

Believe it or not. You can spot a transgender from a mile away. Even the one's getting media time, don't even come close to passing for a woman.