Feds to take control of 2000 Cali National Guardsmen for anti ICE riots

[CriticalStinker]

This is why I read your posts, your questions always take the topic to a deeper level.

If I were wealthy enough, young enough, I could easily live in Cali for a little while. No doubt, I'd prefer rural to urban, but I could live there. I've heard good things about the high desert areas and the mountains, too. 

It's the DNC; they could easily anoint Newsome and Occasio/Cortez and get huge numbers in the blue states, but simply which 2024 red states could they challenge in? Most of that depends on what happens over the next 3 years. 

Does the federal government take over in more than just the protest?

No, and it's going to be fine. This is 5-10 grand protesting in a city of 13 million.  It will fizzle unless it gets financed 

Do we make California more in line with the rest of America?

No, California can be California, but it can't have so many undocumented persons federally, it's that simple. 

This is simply the administration making sure the Federal ICE building didn't get overrun. Talk about a bad look, it was a terrible look seeing the agents have to raise the gate and shoot loads of NL rounds to clear the entrance. Around the 3 Federal buildings are where most, if not all, the guards were located.

And what does that mean for other states under future administrations?

Depends on the laws at the time and how much the rest of the country wants them to be enforced  

There's no denying they have problems like crime, poverty, and homelessness. But those problems exist in other states as well. 

California has such inherent advantages that there is no reason it should have sunk this far, but this is just about illegal immigration and interfering with federal officers trying to enforce a lawful order. Lots of other states have had ICE storms, but there hasn't been the widespread stopping of the enforcement of federal law. New York arrested a Congresswoman for doing the same thing.

As far as them being viewed as socialist, they are the fourth largest economy in the world and pay more to the federal government than they receive, so I think that may be nuanced since they are a producer.

So, they still received federal dollars, over 1/3rd of Cali's budget is federal dollars.

Interestingly enough, the other states with budgets where federal dollars exceed one-third include Alaska, Kentucky, Vermont, Mississippi, Wyoming, Louisiana, and South Dakota. Rural states, those with high poverty, or significant federal land or military presence.

ergo, perhaps if Cali wants to eschew federal law arbitrarily, their budget shouldn't need 1/3rd covered by the Feds.

Besides, do we really want the wealthiest states to just enforce whatever federal laws they want?

No one state has more states' rights than another.

Is it possible a left-leaning president pulls the same stunt with, say, Texas, if we go down this road?

What road ? Adhering to the existing federal law road?  

You would have to map out the "stunt" just because the law hasn't been as strictly enforced in the past doesn't mean the situation didn't need to be addressed with lawful Presidential authority.  

Some would suggest the "stunt" is usurping federal law, sheltering an undocumented population that affects census tallies, changing congressional districting, and seats.

I agree it’s grandstanding by CA.

In all reality, they’re exploiting illegal immigrants, since their service, agriculture, and manufacturing rely on cheap labor from people who didn’t come here the right way. So them acting like they’re “protecting” them is fake on its own IMO.

But, I think we could say the same about a lot of the flyover states too. I technically live in the Bible Belt, and hear a lot of people here recently pointing out LA, and almost acting as if they’re the only offenders on this. But go to any large farm, meat packing plant, construction site and it’s the same story… Even in the deep red states. It’s reminiscent of don’t ask don’t tell policies in the military, something we all know exists but ignore.

I think it will always be a problem so long as the employers don’t see any punishment. 

That said, the laws are the laws. And this was one of the positions that Trump had the most support on. It’s now the jobs of the government(s) to take care of the ballooning amount of illegal immigrants. California will just have to deal with it as you said, and I agree this will all likely blow over soon.

Glad to hear you don’t want too much pressure on California past the immigration, because I’ve heard a lot of people recently imply we should make a point out of them.  

I like the fact everyone can find a state that feels more in line with them, and I love that we have that contrast and option. Some of the states even serve as anomalies too like Vermont being very liberal with some of the loosest gun laws, or Texas with their capitol as Austin lol.

[quintessentone]

Headline: "Anti-ICE protests held coast to coast after L.A. unrest as national movement growsActivists plan more events Tuesday in New York, Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta"

"A series of so-called No Kings demonstrations are planned nationwide for Saturday."

"Protests took place across the Portland, Oregon, metro area, as well as in Seattle and Las Vegas."

"Protesters also gathered in Boston, Washington, Baltimore and Philadelphia."

"Rallies and demonstrations also took place in Charlotte, Atlanta, Louisville, Memphis, Chicago, Detroit and Oklahoma City."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ant...rcna211980

[rickymouse]

Fox News says MSM is downplaying the riots. Also heard at least one trusted analyst claim Trump wanted these events to flare up. 

[Video: https://youtu.be/WkJJflff4eY]

I'm sure things are going exactly to script now, DS only has only one playbook.....easy to read. 

Seems like Newome is backing the violence.  The Feds have a right to protect the citizens in every state from anarchists that are jeopardizing the safety of law enforcement and the public.  By using the regular peaceful protesters to shield themselves from the law enforcement protecting themselves, they are putting the peaceful protestors in jeopardy and it can result in peaceful protestors getting hurt.  Newsome is wrong, he should be taken out of his position as governor for protecting people doing illegal activity that jeopardizes the safety of his own law enforcement doing their jobs.  We have a right to peacefully protest things our government does, but it does not give us the right to put anyone's safety in jeopardy.  Cops are citizens too, and the vast majority of cops are good people just trying to look after the public.  If I was a cop in LA and I knew what Newsome was doing, I would quit and sue the California state goverment for a lot of money, and would try to get thousands of others to do the same thing.  I would also sue any politicians that were protecting the anarchists and work to remove them from office.

Being an old time Liberal, I am a firm believer in peaceful protest, and I would not interfere with the police arresting any violent anarchists.  There is no justifiable reason for anyone to throw bricks or fire bombs at the cops.  Those people are criminals and terrorists.  Just because someone wears a badge does not make them a target for anarchists.  The ones causing the problem are anarchists, not the police or feds trying to stop the chaos.  I have no problem with people coming into this country legally and going through all the vetting and applying for residency but if those people are out there rioting they should deport them too.  I would bet that most of those causing all the riot activity are white anarchists who just love to cause dissaray.  I have known quite a few good hispanic people, they are trying to do things legally.  If anything maybe make it cheaper to immigrate to this country and boost the vetting to make sure bad ones do not get in.  My son in law is an immigrant from Guatamala, it cost my daughter and him a lot of money to get legal after he turned eighteen, he was legal before that but he did not comprehend that after he turned eighteen it would cost another ten grand and lots of other expenses to get legal.  Plus with all the stuff Biden did last November, his status as a legal resident got all mixed up....I think since it happened after Trump won, someone messed it up and he got listed on lots of the government paperwork as an illegal alien with an expired work permit.  My daughter went through hell because of that, he was working as a garbage man here for years, before that he worked in mining exploration, both jobs required him to be a legal resident alien, and someone changed his classification on multiple points of the feds agencies, so they had a lot of work to get it straightened out.  He is applying for disabled social security...he has early onset dementia and has all sorts of proof from many doctors, but his classification screwed things up.  He has been paying into social security for twenty years now.  So now they are having problems because of the changes that occurred after November twelfth of last year, changes they already had issues with in December of last year....Before Trump took office. A change was put into place with illegal immigrants at that time giving them some status, but they lumped everything together with legal immigrants and resident aliens.  The issue started happening before Trump took office and before Musk came to play, I think somehow they sabataged things to mess up Trumps plans after Trump won the election.  That is my guess, It sure seems like it happened though, I researched it then talked to my daughter, and their problems happened in Mid November...verified by a cancelation of the extra medicaid they had because of their family size which was coupled to their health insurance.  That meant they wound up with lots of bills racked up on their kids when they had to go to the doctors.  Now he is not supposed to work anymore, and their lives turned to hell.

The Democrats seem to have set the stage for disaster after the election...they sabatoged things to make it look bad for the Republicans plans.

[Harte]

Well what do you expect with a broken immigration process and it's still broken, right?

If immigrants deserving of refugee citizenship weren't waiting unreasonable amounts of time, then ICE wouldn't have to raid factories, farms, schools, Home Depot, etc. now would they?

The US admits over a million LEGAL immigrants per year.
We are not interested in people applying to get in just because they want to live here.
The immigration system works on presupposing a legal immigrant can immediately obtain the sort of work WE are looking for when they are admitted. That, or they have a citizen sponsor that will take care of their needs.
No, we aren't going to widen the system or streamline it just so a bunch of people in the world can DECIDE to live here simply because it's better here than where they are.
There is nothing at all immoral about this position. Basically every country on Earth does the same thing.

Harte

[quintessentone]

The US admits over a million LEGAL immigrants per year.
We are not interested in people applying to get in just because they want to live here.
The immigration system works on presupposing a legal immigrant can immediately obtain the sort of work WE are looking for when they are admitted. That, or they have a citizen sponsor that will take care of their needs.
No, we aren't going to widen the system or streamline it just so a bunch of people in the world can DECIDE to live here simply because it's better here than where they are.
There is nothing at all immoral about this position. Basically every country on Earth does the same thing.

Harte

Why not allow a bunch of people to get a better life for themselves and their children if they are hard-working good people if sanctuary cities welcome and sponsor them? That is what is happening now with people employing them in jobs nobody else seems to want to take. To deport a 4 year old child who needs cancer treatment back to a country where medical aid may not be available is immoral, so is deporting people that have been working, contributing to the economy and being good citizens for up to 30 years, is indeed immoral.

[sahgwa]

Why not allow a bunch of people to get a better life for themselves and their children if they are hard-working good people if sanctuary cities welcome and sponsor them? That is what is happening now with people employing them in jobs nobody else seems to want to take. To deport a 4 year old child who needs cancer treatment back to a country where medical aid may not be available is immoral, so is deporting people that have been working, contributing to the economy and being good citizens for up to 30 years, is indeed immoral.

Because you are presuming that everyone is a feel good upstanding contributor member of society.
The system works if it is allowed, because it takes time to VET PEOPLE.
You literally are asking 
'why not just allow a bunch of people into my house who say good things to my face without checking on them?'

[quintessentone]

Because you are presuming that everyone is a feel good upstanding contributor member of society.
The system works if it is allowed, because it takes time to VET PEOPLE.
You literally are asking 
'why not just allow a bunch of people into my house who say good things to my face without checking on them?'

Just ask these people's neighbors, employers and others in their communities who know who and what they are...they are protesting right beside them for a reason.

[Thoughtful3]

Fox News says MSM is downplaying the riots. Also heard at least one trusted analyst claim Trump wanted these events to flare up. 

[Video: https://youtu.be/WkJJflff4eY]

I'm sure things are going exactly to script now, DS only has only one playbook.....easy to read. 

MSM may be downplaying the riots for a reason other than the obvious.

https://x.com/RedpillDrifter/status/1932...gr%5Etweet

This is rather remarkable to see the Chinese News Network reporters being detained. If they return, arrest time for them.
I wonder what they will do?
We all witnessed the fakery on an ongoing basis.

[sahgwa]

Just ask these people's neighbors, employers and others in their communities who know who and what they are...they are protesting right beside them for a reason.

You mean the fact that the majority of those protesting are paid for and shuttled around? 
I posted the evidence earlier. 
Taxpayer funded professional agitators. 
That's not a very good metric for trust.

[rickymouse]

The problem here is that anarchists take opportunities like these protests to cause chaos and violence.

Hopefully, most of them have been arrested and more arrests will be made.

It is reported there is less violence now because of the arrests. Let the Governor and Mayor and their law enforcement take back their state and city blocks and let Trump cause chaos and distractions somewhere else.

These people have every right to congregate for peaceful protests considering your broken immigration system in which states like CA have to become sanctuary cities to deal with problems your Presidents can't or do not want to deal with. 

Isn't it better for Presidents to put on the scam or create the scam that their policies are needed, after they cause the problem, or don't fix the problem? It then gives them the perceived necessity to do whatever they want, huh?

Look behind the curtain.

My son-in-law was a legal immigrant from Guatamala, but lost his legal status when he turned eighteen and came to Michigan.  He was supposed to file on his own....and he was a little chaotic when he was young.  But he settled down and eventually applied for residency, and is a resident alien now.  He was illegal for about four years.  Before meeting my daughter, he did get in trouble, but paid his fines which were related to partying.  Now he is pretty good, he settled down after the first two kids and has been working since he got legal...except during the winter with construction layoffs just like others who work in the outdoors in winters around here.  

So his nephew who is in California was constantly getting in trouble, deported twice and snuck back in each time, decided to then move to another state.  I guess he is not getting in trouble much anymore, but has outstanding warrants in California yet since he came back in.  I think that is the way it went.  Well, those bad immigrants do not stay in California, they can travel anywhere once in here.  Not all immigrants are bad, some are troublesome when young just like the young here, but it is real expensive to get residency and most are not well off financially because they are stuck in low paying jobs for illegals.  Now if they could get help with getting cheaper residency, it would be a plus.  My son-in-law and daughter had ten grand for legal fees and immigration paperwork to get legal.  It made their lives hard.

Vet immigrants well, and help them get cheap immigration costs if they are decent workers.  Don't hand them free money.  California likes illegals because they can make them work for half the cost of regular citizens or resident aliens.  They are importing labor that is half the price of what others would get which makes their products competative to sell to the rest of the USA. Their cost of living is real high in California, so those illegal immigrants are not very well off.  One reason they have such a problem with crime there, and that makes everyone there at more risk for crime.  It also increases people living on the streets, and selling drugs to make enough to survive.  California's practices are causing a lot of problems and even the people making decent money there pay lots of state and local taxes and a high cost of living so they are also are not doing great there.  If they had the high heating costs we have here in the U.P of MI, they would be starving even with higher wages.

I would never move to California, that state's policies seem corrupt.  The people working there are led to believe that because of their high wages, they are better off than in other states with lower cost of living...it is not true. 

I think it is criminal to make those illegals in California into poverty workers.