Feds to take control of 2000 Cali National Guardsmen for anti ICE riots

[CriticalStinker]

Gruesome Gavin Newsom, Gavin El Guapo? ....I hope the Green Queen is the candidate against whoever the Republican is. 

 Cali's normal is considered incompatible on so many levels with the average American voter, Gavin's Cali's dream is most of America's nightmare

I agree, but that’s why I don’t live in Cali, and can’t imagine a scenario I would.

But if a majority of America doesn’t “agree” with California, or how it’s ran, what’s the play?

Does the federal government take over in more than just the protest? Do we make California more in line with the rest of America, and what does that mean for other states under future administrations?

Theres no denying they have problems like crime, poverty, and homelessness. But those problems exist in other states as well. 

As far as them being viewed as socialist, they are the fourth largest economy in the world and pay more to the federal government than they receive, so I think that may be nuanced since they are a producer.

Is it possible a left leaning president pulls the same stunt with say Texas if we go down this road?

[quintessentone]

"Representative Jimmy Gomez holds a press conference on President Trump's Deployment of National Guard in Los Angeles."

Los Angeles is a sanctuary city.

[FlyersFan]

Newsom is the hairgel version of Schiff, slick and weaselly.

That's excellent ... and so accurate.

Trump is a bloviating, self promoting, grifter who thinks having cheap fake gold all over a room is 'class'.

Newsom, on the other hand, absolutely is the hairgel version of Schiff, slick and weaselly, just like you said.

Both lie, as do all politicians (and all so-called 'news reporters' too)

[guyfriday]

Does the federal government take over in more than just the protest? Do we make California more in line with the rest of America, and what does that mean for other states under future administrations?

I think the Lt Governor might get put in if Newsom is arrested for all this Trotskyist crap he's promoting. California might not be too bad if the voter rolls got cleaned up so that actual citizen votes count without being diluted by fake electors, homeless votes, and illegal votes. A special election would be needed to vote in new everything at this point though. After all that yeah, California might not be too bad.

[CriticalStinker]

I think the Lt Governor might get put in if Newsom is arrested for all this Trotskyist crap he's promoting. California might not be too bad if the voter rolls got cleaned up so that actual citizen votes count without being diluted by fake electors, homeless votes, and illegal votes. A special election would be needed to vote in new everything at this point though. After all that yeah, California might not be too bad.

I’ve never liked Newsom, but I think humoring his arrest before there’s any kind of evidence of crime is playing with fire.

We can’t on one hand criticize the democrats for lawfare while supporting their opponents do similar things. And keep in mind that Trump was investigated and ultimately vindicated on most of the charges. That’s different than arresting and doing the leg work after the fact.

Many Americans are more sympathetic with state rights over federal power. I think the right could lose a lot of the moderate and independent vote if they continue to express federal power over states.

[rickymouse]

Freedom of speech and our right to protest does not give us rights to riot or to have violent protests.  You throw a can of beans at a cop, that is a violation of the law, you destroy anything, it is a crime which our right to peaceful protest does not justify.

The California protests are not peaceful protests, there are a lot of liberal and progressive activists there that are not showing civil behavior.  I do not understand why Newsome is actually siding with these activists that are not peaceful.  They are stirring everyone up and making lots of people riled up so that they break the law and jeopardize the safety of others that do not believe as they do.

The Democrats seem to be the party of violent chaotic behavior these days.

[sahgwa]

I don't what's happened to this thread, don't really want to read it either. My last comment was like 15 pages back, and I think it was mostly irritated LA gave The High and Exalted Troll a reason to do what he does best. Hold another circus and bring some hammer down.  

Culture of freaking hammers this guy brings. 

But the new normal is that Trump will deport like a heartless ass, exalt cultural xenophobia, and deploy the military to protect his right to be a heartless ass. 

We can't do anything but come together, I guess. 

So welcome, Dodgers fans, to our riot and National Guard free city. Let's have a great series, if you'll notice, nobody has to guard our federal complex yet.

And let the courts take care of it if they can.

Worth a shot, right? It's about the only option. Appeal to the Courts again. Nice and civil-ish. 

This was not even on par with a Lakers riot or even the recent Eagles riot before they called in the heavies. They burn more for sport championships. And are only fighting more because the President is deliberately provoking them. He wants unrest. They want to give it too him. Symbiosis. 

But, whatever. Everyone can be distracted by martyrdom of xenophobic righteousness now. 

Or vote us off the island if you want??? That would actually be better for everyone!

Realize your Reagan-era republican California died with The Dead Kennedys' relevance and California Uber Alles hath taken over from Jerry Brown, through President Newsom. 

There'd be an even greater mass-exodus, yes, but also a mass influx. And tons of immigrants. 

So just hold a national vote to let the important parts of California secede and leave you alone forever. You can have the peripheral counties.  Like, America can have Humbolt, Shasta, Mono, and like Death Valley and shit, but we get the Coastal Areas and the Central Valley. Screw Fresno if they don't like it. 

Please!? We can become the new dream mecca, you don't want the tired huddled masses anymore, but well take them, we can establish our own Ellis Island at Otay Mesa, buy the statue of liberty off you, and try to do 1.5 million a year. Immigrant population booms always help growth!

Think about it. You don't have to care about us poisoning your minds anymore and we don't have to be part of a hate culture. Everyone wins.

I am sorry to interrupt your self righteous rant, but it's not hate or xenophobia when you have illegal immigrant Egyptians setting fire to American Jews in Colorado, or illegal immigrant Mexicans raping children.  Its just wanting to keep your country safe and hey, if these people are here illegally AND they are committing crimes, what exactly is wrong with deporting them exactly?!
People like me that paid thousands of dollars and many years of stress to get our loved ones here legally support UPHOLDING THE LAW. 
But yeah, call it hate.
SMDH.

[quintessentone]

Freedom of speech and our right to protest does not give us rights to riot or to have violent protests.  You throw a can of beans at a cop, that is a violation of the law, you destroy anything, it is a crime which our right to peaceful protest does not justify.

The California protests are not peaceful protests, there are a lot of liberal and progressive activists there that are not showing civil behavior.  I do not understand why Newsome is actually siding with these activists that are not peaceful.  They are stirring everyone up and making lots of people riled up so that they break the law and jeopardize the safety of others that do not believe as they do.

The Democrats seem to be the party of violent chaotic behavior these days.

The problem here is that anarchists take opportunities like these protests to cause chaos and violence.

Hopefully, most of them have been arrested and more arrests will be made.

It is reported there is less violence now because of the arrests. Let the Governor and Mayor and their law enforcement take back their state and city blocks and let Trump cause chaos and distractions somewhere else.

These people have every right to congregate for peaceful protests considering your broken immigration system in which states like CA have to become sanctuary cities to deal with problems your Presidents can't or do not want to deal with. 

Isn't it better for Presidents to put on the scam or create the scam that their policies are needed, after they cause the problem, or don't fix the problem? It then gives them the perceived necessity to do whatever they want, huh?

Look behind the curtain.

[Bush Master]

Fox News says MSM is downplaying the riots. Also heard at least one trusted analyst claim Trump wanted these events to flare up. 




I'm sure things are going exactly to script now, DS only has only one playbook.....easy to read. 

[putnam6]

I agree, but that’s why I don’t live in Cali, and can’t imagine a scenario I would.

But if a majority of America doesn’t “agree” with California, or how it’s ran, what’s the play?

Does the federal government take over in more than just the protest? Do we make California more in line with the rest of America, and what does that mean for other states under future administrations?

Theres no denying they have problems like crime, poverty, and homelessness. But those problems exist in other states as well. 

As far as them being viewed as socialist, they are the fourth largest economy in the world and pay more to the federal government than they receive, so I think that may be nuanced since they are a producer.

Is it possible a left leaning president pulls the same stunt with say Texas if we go down this road?

This is why I read your posts, your questions always take the topic to a deeper level.

If I were wealthy enough, young enough, I could easily live in Cali for a little while. No doubt, I'd prefer rural to urban, but I could live there. I've heard good things about the high desert areas and the mountains, too. 

It's the DNC; they could easily anoint Newsome and Occasio/Cortez and get huge numbers in the blue states, but simply which 2024 red states could they challenge in? Most of that depends on what happens over the next 3 years. 

Does the federal government take over in more than just the protest?

No, and it's going to be fine. This is 5-10 grand protesting in a city of 13 million.  It will fizzle unless it gets financed 

Do we make California more in line with the rest of America?

No, California can be California, but it can't have so many undocumented persons federally, it's that simple. 

This is simply the administration making sure the Federal ICE building didn't get overrun. Talk about a bad look, it was a terrible look seeing the agents have to raise the gate and shoot loads of NL rounds to clear the entrance. Around the 3 Federal buildings are where most, if not all, the guards were located.

And what does that mean for other states under future administrations?

Depends on the laws at the time and how much the rest of the country wants them to be enforced  

There's no denying they have problems like crime, poverty, and homelessness. But those problems exist in other states as well. 

California has such inherent advantages that there is no reason it should have sunk this far, but this is just about illegal immigration and interfering with federal officers trying to enforce a lawful order. Lots of other states have had ICE storms, but there hasn't been the widespread stopping of the enforcement of federal law. New York arrested a Congresswoman for doing the same thing.

As far as them being viewed as socialist, they are the fourth largest economy in the world and pay more to the federal government than they receive, so I think that may be nuanced since they are a producer.

So, they still received federal dollars, over 1/3rd of Cali's budget is federal dollars.

Interestingly enough, the other states with budgets where federal dollars exceed one-third include Alaska, Kentucky, Vermont, Mississippi, Wyoming, Louisiana, and South Dakota. Rural states, those with high poverty, or significant federal land or military presence.

ergo, perhaps if Cali wants to eschew federal law arbitrarily, their budget shouldn't need 1/3rd covered by the Feds.

Besides, do we really want the wealthiest states to just enforce whatever federal laws they want?

No one state has more states' rights than another.

Is it possible a left-leaning president pulls the same stunt with, say, Texas, if we go down this road?

What road ? Adhering to the existing federal law road?  

You would have to map out the "stunt" just because the law hasn't been as strictly enforced in the past doesn't mean the situation didn't need to be addressed with lawful Presidential authority.  

Some would suggest the "stunt" is usurping federal law, sheltering an undocumented population that affects census tallies, changing congressional districting, and seats.