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(11-02-2025, 06:16 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Lock them up and fling away the key.
It's the best we can hope for with the laws we have in place.
We need to change the laws. Bring back capital punishment and they die exactly the way their victims did.
Stabbing ? They die the same way, with the same injuries.
Ram a car into a crowd ? You're about to be a crash test dummy for real...and if the first impact doesn't do it, try again. Repeat as needed.
Rapists who kill their victims ? Say hello to Bubba. Bubba likes to take his time, so buckle up.
I have no sympathy, compassion or tolerance for people like that. They are best gone from this world and on to their true punishment. People say "But they'll be in prison for the rest of their lives and have to live with the guilt"
They don't feel guilt, otherwise they wouldn't have done it and prison may not be a vacation but it's not the Hell they deserve.
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(11-02-2025, 06:34 AM)David64 Wrote: We need to change the laws. Bring back capital punishment and they die exactly the way their victims did.
Stabbing ? They die the same way, with the same injuries.
Ram a car into a crowd ? You're about to be a crash test dummy for real...and if the first impact doesn't do it, try again. Repeat as needed.
Rapists who kill their victims ? Say hello to Bubba. Bubba likes to take his time, so buckle up.
I have no sympathy, compassion or tolerance for people like that. They are best gone from this world and on to their true punishment. People say "But they'll be in prison for the rest of their lives and have to live with the guilt"
They don't feel guilt, otherwise they wouldn't have done it and prison may not be a vacation but it's not the Hell they deserve.
Luckily, in this instance, nobody seems to have died, hopefully, that does not change.
But i tend to agree, those who choose to perpetuate such sad acts of depravity.
Deserve to have the same to similar thing happen to them.
I'm surprised armed Police did not shoot both horrible bastards if im honest.
Their attitude obviously changed before they came off that train, or they were challenged.
Because they don't feck around.
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Looks like they tasered one of the wrong'yins.
They should have let the dog have a go imho.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37194373/m...1762083179
Here is the police update.
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There is no popular desire for UK citizens to have guns.
Period.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(11-02-2025, 08:47 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: There is no popular desire for UK citizens to have guns.
Period.
But, should they not have the Right to own one if they want ? I know you do have people who own guns, but from what I understand it is under VERY tight restrictions. U.K. laws perplex me. You can actually go to jail for using "too much" force if someone breaks into your house.
People keep asking the wrong question by saying "Is a TV worth taking someone's life"
In my opinion, you made the decision that my TV was worth your life before you broke down my door. What happens next is your own fault.
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(11-02-2025, 08:56 AM)David64 Wrote: But, should they not have the Right to own one if they want ? I know you do have people who own guns, but from what I understand it is under VERY tight restrictions. U.K. laws perplex me. You can actually go to jail for using "too much" force if someone breaks into your house.
People keep asking the wrong question by saying "Is a TV worth taking someone's life"
In my opinion, you made the decision that my TV was worth your life before you broke down my door. What happens next is your own fault.
You can own guns here in the UK, but you need to have a proper license, and keep them in the appropriate place, like a gun club for instance.
Put it this way, outside the cities, most farmers own shotguns for pest control but they need to be stored accordingly and under lock and key.
You are allowed to use what's called reasonable force to detain a person, if someone breaks into your house, but yeah, that can be problematic in the extreme and open to interpretation.
Personally, if it were my own gaff, you're not getting out with the same number of fingers you entered.
House tanners are the lowest of the low after all.
https://www.gov.uk/reasonable-force-against-intruders
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I think the only ones who want guns are criminals.
Our laws on self defence are long established.
But yes, I agree that if some scumbag breaks into a property with someone in residence it should be at their own risk.
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11-02-2025, 09:18 AM
This post was last modified: 11-02-2025, 09:28 AM by Kurokage. 
(11-02-2025, 08:56 AM)David64 Wrote: But, should they not have the Right to own one if they want ? I know you do have people who own guns, but from what I understand it is under VERY tight restrictions. U.K. laws perplex me. You can actually go to jail for using "too much" force if someone breaks into your house.
People keep asking the wrong question by saying "Is a TV worth taking someone's life"
In my opinion, you made the decision that my TV was worth your life before you broke down my door. What happens next is your own fault.
These kinds of questions get asked by lots of Americans when anything like this happens, and by the British when a mass shooting happens in America.
Eleven people injured on a train from two people with knives, but so far no one dead.
If those two had been armed with guns, then it could have been a massacre, like a lot of Americans are used too. If the one or two of the passengers had been armed then a possible shoot out on their train could've been just as deadly or worse for the same passengers.
As for brits owning firearms?? There's nearly 70 million people crammed onto a very small island, it's a lot of supressed anger and a stiff upper lip that stops most from massacring each other on a day to day basis. Add guns to that equation, and it would make American look like a merry Disneyland.
As for the incident itself, a very sad attack on commuters by two pathetic low lifes, Police had the two detained within 8 minutes of the 999 call, I hope they get everything they deserve and worse.
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning."
Charles Tremper
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(11-02-2025, 09:18 AM)Kurokage Wrote: These kinds of questions get asked by lots of Americans when anything like this happens, and by the British when a mass shooting happens in America.
Eleven people injured on a train from two people with knives, but so far no one dead.
If those two had been armed with guns, then it could have been a massacre, like a lot of Americans are used too. If the one or two of the passengers had been armed then a possible shoot out on their train could've been just as deadly or worse for the same passengers.
As for brits owning firearms?? There's nearly 70 million people crammed onto a very small island, it's a lot of supressed anger and a stiff upper lip that stops most from massacring each other on a day to day basis. Add guns to that equation, and it would make American look like a merry Disneyland.
As for the incident itself, a very sad attack on commuters by two pathetic low lifes, Police had the two detained within 8 minutes of the 999 call, I hope they get everything they deserve and worse.
I was in Glasgow city center with the Mrs on Friday night to see "Hamilton" at the Theatre Royal.
One person was stabbed on Argyle St, blue lights and polis everywhere, before we even got there, and another at the 4 corners when we were going for food on the way home.
And that was in the space of a few hours.
If we had guns on our streets in the same manner as they do in other places, i don't imagine it would bode well.
Great show by the way, and I'm not a big musical fan, thoroughly enjoyed.
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UK GOV AFTER TRAIN STABBING: "JUST GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES"
Eleven people got stabbed on a British train Saturday night and the official advice? Basically, “Keep calm and carry on.”
The chaos happened between Peterborough and Huntingdon. 12 minutes of total nightmare, with passengers fighting back using Jack Daniels bottles.
Two guys are in custody for attempted murder, two victims are still fighting for their lives, and cops say it’s “not terrorism”... just your average blood-soaked train ride, apparently.
The UK government can’t even protect its own people, but sure, carry on.
Source: Sky News, AFP, NY Post
https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1985001451878273272
Btw, Hamilton is very entertaining. Nice choice.
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