Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[Oldcarpy2]

Major difference being that Putin doesn't need any support militarily that I can see, for the continued existence of Russia.
Ukraine on the other hand is nothing without major outside support, and really is not acting like it wants peace. 
Like the nerd with a big jock friend behind him who suddenly leaves him squealing alone to the school bully.

"Doesn't need any support militarily"?

Russia has gone to NK and Iran for that.

Didn't you see that?

As for "school bully", that's Trump.

[Oldcarpy2]

"Some of that value was based on converting to Green Energy which will not be a priority for the Trump administration".

Might be for Musk and Tesla, though?

[sahgwa]

"Doesn't need any support militarily"?

Russia has gone to NK and Iran for that.

Didn't you see that?

As for "school bully", that's Trump.

If you call those sad North Koreans dying from drinking sanitizer and being tortured by drones with their Korean War era infantry tactics 'support' then okay i can agree, Russia has their support.
Honestly that in no way says Russia needs them. They are being sent as a gesture. 

Ukraine actually Needs support.

[Oldcarpy2]

NK ammunition?

Iranian drones? NK troops?

Russia doesn't need any of that?

Yes, of course Ukraine needs support.

Obviously.

As for "Korean War tactics", Russia is using WW1 tactics.

[putnam6]

Let's see what the EU and other countries will be spending Putin's $200 Billion frozen assets on before we jump to conclusions.

As for not providing sources, pot calling kettle black, hmm? I mean really, it's not like this is any form of a true debate.

Edit to add:

Well it appears Trump has made a deal with TSMC CEO (Taiwan semiconductor chip maker) so of course he does not need any lithium now - he never did - it was all a lie.

Piss off China much?

Debate? Im. just discussing the topic, and hoping to learn what scenarios are possible and to what degree they are likely to occur. I appreciate hearing your thoughts and opinions. 

If you want to debate we have a forum for that, 

But I am not trying to change anybody's mind here, hell It's almost the exact opposite Im saying here is what I am seeing, reading, and thinking what does Deny Ignorance think? Am I wrong?

Like a discussion, not a debate. 

FWIW, I usually provide quite a few links, all I was suggesting I wasn't familiar with the actual evidence for your assertions, and wanted to respond with an intelligent and well-thought-out answer. One can't trust to put in a few words in Google and pull up a concise unbiased opinion anymore.

As for the 200 BIllion in frozen assets here is what Grok suggests for continued discussion
 

Consider ongoing cases like Russia’s frozen reserves. By now, some countries might have moved toward using these assets (e.g., interest earned on them) to fund Ukraine’s reconstruction, as proposed in 2024 G7 talks. However, outright spending without repayment remains a legal gray area, often framed as “reparations” rather than theft to maintain legitimacy.

In short: Countries can’t just spend frozen assets like free money without legal grounding or international backing. When it happens, it’s usually structured as a loan, reparative measure, or conditional use—not a no-strings-attached windfall—and repayment depends on the resolution of the underlying conflict.

China will be fine, the American public and businesses are China's #1 super customer, they can squeal and will but they won't do jack squat about it. This is a continuation of the April deal proposed by Biden

The US needs homegrown computer chips for strategic purposes, so we aren't reliant on any country but ourselves. 

Again not sure where all your fear originates, this is how the real world operates

https://weartv.com/news/nation-world/pre...tment-plan
 

TSMC, the world’s biggest semiconductor manufacturer, produces chips for companies including Apple, Intel and Nvidia. The company had already announced plans to invest more than $65 billion in the U.S., including three plants in Arizona after the Biden administration offered billions in subsidies. Its first factory in Arizona has started mass production of its 4-nanometer chips.
Trump and TSMC’s chief executive officer C. C. Wei said the $100 billion is on top of the $65 billion that was already announced.
“This is a tremendous move by the most powerful company in the world," Trump said. “It's a matter of economic security.”

Trump announced last month that Apple would be investing a total of $350 billion in America and hire another 20,000 workers.

[sahgwa]

I am listening to Bill Murray on Rogan and it's really good.
I am always saying on this thread I am not partisan. I didn't vote from Trump , I don't support Ukraine or Russia. They should both just stop. Stop begging for money and avoiding peace talks. And stop pushing soldiers invading and taking territory. 
So I will offer this from the podcast paraphrasing which I like.
Politics is stupid and propaganda is stupid and tribal and we need to take a step back and just think about life, as a whole, not 'our side' our political crap.
If Hunter S Thompson can sit down calmly with Nixon and discuss football like friends, then we need to all learn distance.
The problem source is mainly the entrenched power sources that profit off the division, the corporations and the politicians.
In the USA we don't get any break. No break at all, every 2 years it's midterms, and then it's elections. And it's always squawking at you from the internet or radio or TV.
So perhaps we can all be cognizant of trying to take a step back and think about the universe and being human first and foremost. 
OK carry on.

[putnam6]

Babylon Bee with another hot take....

https://babylonbee.com/news/europe-pledg...-a-sidecar

The momentous occasion marks the first time Europe has done anything on behalf of NATO, though they stopped short of letting Ukraine into the treaty organization. "You take out the entire Russian army with that BMW R75 and we'll talk," Chancellor Scholz said as he ruffled Zelenskyy's hair. "Now get out of here, you little rascal!"
At publishing time, President Zelenskyy was called ungrateful after he said the three panzer tanks and Nazi motorcycle were not enough to keep Russia at bay.

[Oldcarpy2]

Babylon Bee with another hot take....

https://babylonbee.com/news/europe-pledg...-a-sidecar
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Please, be serious?

The rest of the World is watching as the US is tearing itself apart and trying to take Europe with it.

Hilarious, ain't it?

Meanwhile, those chainsaw cuts in your military budgets, whilst most others are increasing theirs?

[sahgwa]

" the US is tearing itself apart"  ?!?! 



AHAHHAHAHHAHHA 

[Oldcarpy2]

"So perhaps we can all be cognizant of trying to take a step back and think about the universe and being human first and foremost.
OK carry on."

Stopping targeting Ukrainian civilians might be a start?