Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[Oldcarpy2]

It seems that this show was an orchestrated political mugging.

And we have the unelected non US citizen Musk waiting to benefit massively from a rare earth deal.

Which stinks to high Heaven.

[putnam6]

Speaking of hive mind

[Oldcarpy2]

Hive mind?

Doing the right thing and standing up to bullies?

[putnam6]

That's after the Trilateral Process left Ukraine without any protection or 'holding any cards' after agreeing to give up all their nuclear capabilities.
 
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-t...r-weapons/

So much for any security measures agreement being kept by Russia.

That's why the U.S. and the U.K. need to make this right by the Ukrainian people.

That's a bit of revisionist history, nobody wanted to leave nukes in Ukraine except Ukraine and even they admitted they would need plenty training and equipment safeguards etc. BUT mostly the west was worried abut the security of said nukes

Russia wasn't about to turn over nuclear weapons in such a cavalier way, it's not like selling a bicycle.

[quintessentone]

That's a bit of revisionist history, nobody wanted to leave nukes in Ukraine except Ukraine and even they admitted they would need plenty training and equipment safeguards etc. BUT mostly the west was worried abut the security of said nukes

Russia wasn't about to turn over nuclear weapons in such a cavalier way, it's not like selling a bicycle.

The point is that the Ukrainian people have been betrayed by Russia continuing invasions after agreement to security measures and the U.S. not now guaranteeing security measures after orchestrating the taking away all of the Ukrainian people's 'cards' which ensured their security. No wonder North Korea and almost every other country in the world keeps their nuclear weapons shiny.

[putnam6]

It seems that this show was an orchestrated political mugging.

And we have the unelected non US citizen Musk waiting to benefit massively from a rare earth deal.

Which stinks to high Heaven.

There is no rare earth deal... it's nyet go, which supposedly pleases Putin who knew American interests in western Ukraine would have been very limiting for Russia.

[Oldcarpy2]

No deal - yet.

Does Musk not worry you?

[quintessentone]

There is no rare earth deal... it's nyet go, which supposedly pleases Putin who knew American interests in western Ukraine would have been very limiting for Russia.

Russia offers U.S. rare earth minerals deal.

In a state TV interview on Monday, Putin said he was ready to "offer" resources to American partners in joint projects, including mining in Russia's "new territories" - a reference to parts of eastern Ukraine that Russia has occupied since launching a full-scale invasion three years ago.
The proposal could also see the two countries collaborating on aluminium extraction and supply to the US to stabilise prices, he added.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gdx7488g5o

This may be what the Trump/Vance ambush is really about.

[Oldcarpy2]

Musk was probably in the mix, too.

[FlyersFan]

It seems that this show was an orchestrated political mugging.

And we have the unelected non US citizen Musk waiting to benefit massively from a rare earth deal.

Sorry but incorrect on both counts.  And your statement contradicts itself.

It was not an orchestrated political mugging.   Zelenskyy dragged the negotiations out into public and insulted the Vice President in front of cameras.  It was amature hour for him.   These kinds of spats happen all the time in private during negotiations but he pulled it out in front of everyone.  He was told that America wouldn't discuss any kind of security deal and that it was just a deal for rare earth minerals.   But Zelenskyy brought up security deals and American boots on the ground there, which will never happen.   This is totally on Zelenskyy.

And Musk is indeed an United States Citizen and has been for 22 years.

If he benefits from the deal ... that's fine.  A lot of American citizens will.  The entire country will.

Musk can't be a vulture waiting on the deal to benefit himself, and at the same time be part of the White House orchestrating something to destroy the deal.   That is contradictory and makes no sense.