Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[UltraBudgie]

[context and despair]

aargh arrgh stop none of them are good guys you watched too many hollywood movies life doesn't work that way the only thing that's changed is what and how they are lying about by not lying at all and stop trying to fight its a trap

but yeah your right about the bully thing

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

No, I'm sorry. If there's EVER going to be a real life application of a Hollywood antagonist/protagonist, it's this. Russia is the villain to Ukraine's scappy hero. They have applied archetypes from an objective worldview.

And I refuse to go for the mean opposing team that has matching fancy bags and acts better than the determined hero team. They have to overcome odds, and a demoralizing loss, bring in a ringer, and then defeat the mean villain team, as the coach is breaking the clipboard.

And then they all listen to Queen..

[putnam6]

Well I see the mineral deal failed miserably..

We are such freaking bullies. It was all nice until they called Zelenskyy out for hatred of Putin. They actually tried to shame him for being blinded by hatred of Putin. They call him a dictator in the media and then berate him for not kissing their asses and daring to hate our new ally Putin.

But I don't really want to get into it. I dont care what the reason is, what context I'm missing. Why Russia is now the good guy. My America to the world is gone. It's not healthy to watch anymore. To watch it's leaders that represent me.

Because if Zelenskyy is now the dictator, and Putin and Trump are the good guys in this equation, I don't think there's anything left to care about.

And I call now out to our new master... obviously. In stranger aeons may his madness reign.

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Yeah, whoever the leaders are of your country, are no reflection on you individually. How you act and treat others is all that matters. Don't let anybody even have access to your buttons, especially politicians and persons you don't even know personally. Go try some new buds at the dispensary or a couple of shots of tequila and watch a basketball game.

What's funny is I was watching it hoping the egos in the room would choose the right to remain silent, all 3 Trump, JD, or Zelensky. But none of them had the ability. All he had to do was nod his head sign the deal and have lunch, instead, he began discussing specifics he had probably touched on in private. If you go watch the 40 minutes Zelensky had some peculiar mannerisms and was a little twitchy FWIW

There's a guy on X.com that I started to listen to during the Canadian truck thing he nails this by saying don't get caught up in the theatrics of it all. He is betting we have a peace deal in a month. In the big scheme thats all that matters getting a fair peace deal, rumors were Putin wasn't happy with the mineral deal it might have scuttled a peace deal anyway. That is my fox and sour grapes answer... hell we talked about the Vietnam War peace deal for 3 years before it finally happened

I'd suggest having a longer timeline concerning progress with peace talks...we are in unchartered territory let's see how it reverberates THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. 

Ive already seen one EU stand up and suggest they need a new leader of the free world, after today lots of Americans are saying have at it, tiger.  We have some domestic as well as other international concerns. 

 
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Holden Culotta

@Holden_Culotta

=whiteIn light of the Trump-Zelenskyy spat … President Washington was crystal clear about America’s ideal foreign policy in his farewell speech. President Trump is living up to his ideal by negotiating peace. Washington, 1796: “The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.” “Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none, or a very remote, relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns.” “Therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships and enmities.” “It is our true policy to steer clear or permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.” “Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.” “Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand.”

George was happening dude who knew the game even back then... i would have voted for him

[sahgwa]

Yeah, whoever the leaders are of your country, are no reflection on you individually. How you act and treat others is all that matters. Don't let anybody even have access to your buttons, especially politicians and persons you don't even know personally. Go try some new buds at the dispensary or a couple of shots of tequila and watch a basketball game.

What's funny is I was watching it hoping the egos in the room would choose the right to remain silent, all 3 Trump, JD, or Zelensky. But none of them had the ability. All he had to do was nod his head sign the deal and have lunch, instead, he began discussing specifics he had probably touched on in private. If you go watch the 40 minutes Zelensky had some peculiar mannerisms and was a little twitchy FWIW

There's a guy on X.com that I started to listen to during the Canadian truck thing he nails this by saying don't get caught up in the theatrics of it all. He is betting we have a peace deal in a month. In the big scheme thats all that matters getting a fair peace deal, rumors were Putin wasn't happy with the mineral deal it might have scuttled a peace deal anyway. That is my fox and sour grapes answer... hell we talked about the Vietnam War peace deal for 3 years before it finally happened

I'd suggest having a longer timeline concerning progress with peace talks...we are in unchartered territory let's see how it reverberates THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. 

Ive already seen one EU stand up and suggest they need a new leader of the free world, after today lots of Americans are saying have at it, tiger.  We have some domestic as well as other international concerns. 
=whiteIn light of the Trump-Zelenskyy spat … President Washington was crystal clear about America’s ideal foreign policy in his farewell speech. President Trump is living up to his ideal by negotiating peace. Washington, 1796: “The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.” “Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none, or a very remote, relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns.” “Therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships and enmities.” “It is our true policy to steer clear or permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.” “Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.” “Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand.”

George was happening dude who knew the game even back then... i would have voted for him

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I read a lot of Castaneda and this girl instead of stepping outside of herself and realising she is Trump because we are all each other is too caught up with being in love with herself and her own self importance.
To make it even simpler, her own sadness

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Yeah, whoever the leaders are of your country, are no reflection on you individually. How you act and treat others is all that matters. Don't let anybody even have access to your buttons, especially politicians and persons you don't even know personally. Go try some new buds at the dispensary or a couple of shots of tequila and watch a basketball game.

It's not as bad as thread contributions would have it appear. It's not in dire need of coping devices and doesn't live in as much madness as it lets on. I'll try to keep the more hyperbolic stuff to the hyperbole thread. The coping devices sound great though.

Would it be in error to assume you didn't feel some degree of shame when Biden mummbled through 4 years of advisor-suggested PR decisions? You didn't facepalm or shudder a little and think, "Wow, he represents our democratic decision to the world."

Just reverse that.

What's madness to me most is the cult-like reflex to auto-absolve his behavior no matter how unbecoming he's actually being. Its like behind the belligerence is always a genius negotiation. Just trust it!

It's a hell of a show, but it's really depressing to read about. It's too sad to be funny now. It used to be kinda funny the first time. Now it's just somewhat frightening - in the same way Newsom and Pelosi are frightening for heartland conservatism.

It just comes off like he flew Zelenskyy here to blackmail him for his metals, which was screwed up enough, instead he provokes a confrontation to further state our new found change of heart. That's my synopsis anyway.

I can't adjust to the Trump 2.0 style of diplomacy. I am waiting for Trump to just start pistol whipping other leaders at this point.

[putnam6]

Nope, I never felt national patriotic shame about LBJ, or Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Dubya, Barrack, Trump, or Biden. 

Completely understand that other people do there's no right or wrong, I guess it is something my Dad instilled in me from an early age, LOL glad he did. He had a reverence for the office, the position not the person. 

I never felt overtly patriotic pride either, they are just men, with all the flaws and attributes other humans have.  

Don't get me wrong I have my prideful moments but it's more pride from the people, not the Presidents, Reagan's "tear down this wall", was a poignant moment but it was more watching the GP tear it down, it was like my generation did that. 

I had a brief "thats cool" moment of hope watching the Democrats the Clintons and the Gores dancing to Fleetwood Mac's Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow, but we did stop and it wasn't better than before it was average in a different way. 

There was listening to Ray Charles during the Olympics in Atlanta singing Georgia On My Mind, Centennial Olympics while all 100,000 of the people there including all of my immediate family packed in, were singing too, many with glistening eyes.

Watching Muhammad Ali hoist that torch that lit the caldron to start the games, there was a man to be emotional and proudful about.

Of course, 9/11 watching ordinary people go through horrific events and come out on the other side

but even then I rolled my eyes at Dubya's mission accomplished because I knew the stuff wasn't over and it wasn't accomplished.

Im more ashamed of my flaws and failures throughout my life. Don't need to carry the weight of anybody else's bullshit  

Trump isn't me we aren't hive mind insects or the Borg and "we" don't need to be, we are individual people doing the best we can on a planet zooming 26,000 miles an hour through space.

It could be just the DC cherry blossom allergies...right 

[quintessentone]

Negotiations?

Two faced bullying, more like.

One minute Trump is calling Zelensky an unpopular dictator, next he's saying he never said that.

The man's a maggot.

Yeah, strange that Trump can't recall calling Zelensky a dictator, what's up with that? No wonder Vance and Elon have to do most of the talking for Trump now.

By the way, even if the mineral deal went through, any riches gained or robbed from Ukraine do not go to the people, they go to the one company who needs those rare minerals, or actually the lithium, and that would be Tesla. What's the rush to get the minerals now? Get the peace deal first with Putin's agreement and then talk minerals. Something stinks here.

The mineral deal has nothing to do with peace if it did then why is Putin counter offering the minerals, on the occupied territory, to the U.S. and not simply agreeing to a ceasefire? It appears the U.S. officials are being manipulated by Putin and really don't understand the history of the war, nor Putin's actual goals.

The Russian people are also wondering why are they and their family members fighting this war because Putin told them it was the evil West, NATO, and the U.S. All of a sudden the U.S. can be partnered with on a trade deal without Russia agreeing to any security measures? The Russian people rose up at the beginning of this war and 200 people were arrested from the protest. Maybe they will rise up again and call out Putin's BS and topple this dictator once and for all.

Turkiye has always been on Ukraine's side in regards to who owns Crimea and other territories and they look like they are gearing up to send boots on the ground to Ukraine. It's not over till it's over.

What overly vetted Epstein files? What looming recession? What Tesla tanking stocks? What grocery prices? What Trump downward polling numbers? What FAFO MAGA voting regrets? What UFO disclosure? What  government oversight of non-elected people looking at private citizen records? What no fact checking of where the money is going now? What bird flu? What measles outbreak in Texas with the mostly unvax'd and one child dead so far?

[putnam6]

I read a lot of Castaneda and this girl instead of stepping outside of herself and realising she is Trump because we are all each other is too caught up with being in love with herself and her own self importance.
To make it even simpler, her own sadness

Yeah, I disagree, I appreciate their passion, IP knows their stuff, even if we think differently on some points on the Oval Office meeting. 

The main point it didn't help the situation and in reality likely helped Putin. Again he didn't like the minerals deal because it would have interjected American interests directly in the sliver of land he is trying to pound into the mud.

[putnam6]

Sometimes you need to examine the opposing viewpoint.

Right or wrong this is the ammunition Putin uses for Russia's position on Ukraine it's factual and accurate

Now what would happen if China did the same to the government of Mexico?

We'd lose our shit

 
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Richard

@ricwe123 

Here we have Victoria Nuland in 2016, openly testifying before Congress about just how deep the US was in running Ukraine’s government after the 2014 coup. She laid it all out: US advisors embedded in 12 Ukrainian ministries, American-trained police in 18 cities, the US Treasury shutting down 60 Ukrainian banks while shielding depositors’ assets, and a cool $266 million spent on training Ukrainian soldiers. "Unprovoked" 

[quintessentone]

Sometimes you need to examine the opposing viewpoint.

Right or wrong this is the ammunition Putin uses for Russia's position on Ukraine it's factual and accurate

Now what would happen if China did the same to the government of Mexico?

We'd lose our shit

That's after the Trilateral Process left Ukraine without any protection or 'holding any cards' after agreeing to give up all their nuclear capabilities.
 

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Ukraine had the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal on its territory. When Ukrainian-Russian negotiations on removing these weapons from Ukraine appeared to break down in September 1993, the U.S. government engaged in a trilateral process with Ukraine and Russia. The result was the Trilateral Statement, signed in January 1994, under which Ukraine agreed to transfer the nuclear warheads to Russia for elimination. In return, Ukraine received security assurances from the United States, Russia and Britain; compensation for the economic value of the highly-enriched uranium in the warheads (which could be blended down and converted into fuel for nuclear reactors); and assistance from the United States in dismantling the missiles, missile silos, bombers and nuclear infrastructure on its territory. Steven Pifer recounts the history of this unique negotiation and describes the key lessons learned.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-t...r-weapons/

So much for any security measures agreement being kept by Russia.

That's why the U.S. and the U.K. need to make this right by the Ukrainian people.