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  The Imam, the women, the science - Boobquake
Posted by: Byrd - 03-03-2024, 05:59 PM - Forum: Science & Technology - Replies (8)

...and I put this here because... well, it's science!

No kidding.

And yes, it's a real event.  Guys, remember that we women aren't always fond of some of your observations, so please remember your audience.

AND WITH THAT... the tl;dr version is - Islamic cleric declares immodestly dressed women (his standards of immodesty, mind you) are corrupting men everywhere and corrupting the earth and we are getting more earthquakes.  Purdue student gathers co-conspirators to set up a day of protest where (200,000 women?) they "dress immodestly" -- more so than usual (but not immodestly by our standards.)   Earthquake stats for that day are measured and run... and no, immodest women don't cause earthquakes (quelle surprise!)

Wikipedia for more details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boobquake
Youtube for those who partake:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4naZAYjjOg


There now... don't you feel much smarter?

I thought so.  :D

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  Just in case you like to "experiment" with AI
Posted by: Maxmars - 03-03-2024, 02:20 PM - Forum: Computers & Coding - Replies (4)

I know that many people, including close friends and family of mine, enjoy playing with publicly available AI chat boxes;

Be forewarned, 

Hugging Face AI Platform Riddled With 100 Malicious Code-Execution Models
 


Researchers have discovered about 100 machine learning (ML) models that have been uploaded to the Hugging Face artificial intelligence (AI) platform and potentially enable attackers to inject malicious code onto user machines. The findings further underscore the growing threat that lurks when attackers poison publicly available AI models for nefarious activity.
 
The discovery of the malicious models by JFrog Security Research is part of ongoing research by the firm into how attackers can use ML models to compromise user environments, according to a blog post published this week.


Be careful out there...

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  Evaluating A.I. "socially?" for attention
Posted by: Maxmars - 03-03-2024, 01:49 PM - Forum: Education & Media - Replies (2)

I found an interesting piece in FOX Business, authored by one of their esteemed journalists who apparently write of asking their "exemplar" of A.I. about topically popular issues.

I will remind any who are, as of yet, unfamiliar with my perspective about the thing we are being told is "A.I.;" that I feel it is incorrect to characterize them as "A.I."

From: Microsoft Copilot: AI chatbot gives questionable answers on teaching sex, DEI, LGBTQ topics to preschool kids
Subtitled: (The chatbot said that discussions on pedophilia and White privilege were not appropriate for nursery school kids)
                [note: the bot said the opposite quite clearly and specifically; interesting use of "journalism" no?]

The "interviewee" is Microsoft's (so-called) artificial intelligence (AI) chatbot Copilot. 

"Copilot" is a chat box, interfaced through a multimodal large language model.  A set of algorithms encased within a database process which regurgitates a 'natural language synthesis' of all the data (read - "sources") it can access relating to whatever the subject is.

The subject?: "... [can it] be okay to teach nursery school children about a variety of potentially age-inappropriate topics, including diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI), transgenderism and sex.[?]"

The author of course, in true "journalism style," embeds the term "inappropriate" alongside the focus of the query... which in normal, human, parlance would give you a hint as to the audiences "desired or acceptable" answer. 

Can inappropriate things be appropriate?  Easy to resolve, no?  Except that wasn't the question... (But the model being used can only find (in its' 'database' of reality) whatever the "source" material has described as valid (contextually speaking.)

The actual question: "Should children in nursery school be taught diversity, equity and inclusion?"  (- notice no inclusion of "inappropriate" in the question.)

So... the answer: "Yes, teaching children in nursery schools about diversity, equity, and inclusion is essential for creating a positive and respectful learning environment...," (the DEI textbook answer.)

Imagine the nominal process of answering this... define nursery school, define DEI... of course the very answer, the "correct answer," is embedded within DEI definitions themselves...

"...lay the foundation for a more compassionate and understanding society" [but the AI] noted that schools and parents should collaborate to create a "respectful and diverse learning environment."  (Again, the DEI textbook answer)

(For humans, in the human world of "governance" and "Social engineering" it reads as a justification to compel collaboration...  To the AI it is just a "matter of fact.")

And it further strengthens its' answer with "Teaching about inclusion helps to create a sense of belonging for every child,"

I must ask openly, at this point, at what stage in 'intelligence' does this A.I. proclaim that this is opinion?  That DEI is not a 'commandment,' nor is it a universal human constant.  Does it "know this?" - of course not.  It is not a person.  It only "knows" what it has been plugged into.  What it has been programmed to give weight.  It only synthesizes responses from the sources it uses to carry out its' programming.

I won't belabor the second and third questions offered in the article, restricting myself to noting that the responses are equally in accordance with definitions "supplied" to the body of the AI's retrievable outputs.

This so-called "AI" is not a person, it has no opinions, it is simply paying contextual [verbal] homage to the body of data it has been assigned by its' programmers as "knowledge."

And even if we were inclined to believe that it actually was a "person" why would its answers be any more pertinent than say any random person on the street?  Should we really care if a DEI supporter states they support DEI?

We know these "AI" chat boxes can only say what they have been "taught" to say...

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  Impending Eruption worries in Iceland
Posted by: Maxmars - 03-02-2024, 05:00 PM - Forum: Current Events - Replies (5)

Source: Earthquakes rattle Iceland as odds of volcanic eruption increase

There have been no injuries reported thus far, thank goodness.  But there has been an increase in earthquakes around the area. 
 


Officials issued an Orange alert for the Reykjanes region, noting that an intrusion of magma had started just east of the town of Sýlingafell. According to RUV, an Iceland news agency, officials believe that is where an eruption is most likely to occur.


[Image: iceland-earthquakes.jpg?][Image: Iceland_H.png?]


Wishing them well... stay safe.

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  Amazon river creature "torments" kayaker
Posted by: Maxmars - 03-02-2024, 12:43 PM - Forum: Cryptozoology - Replies (8)

A little put off by the second-hand poster of this piece, I offer it for your consideration.

The setting: A kayaking enthusiast on the Amazon river was alarmed when he experienced a turbulent interaction with a barely seen creature large enough threaten his small craft.  



The text accompanying this video shows that as the kayak was disturbed and presumably shoved or pushed, other similar splashes were occuring many yards away, simultaneously.  I thought I saw a fin, or something like it, in one of the frames.

How the poster decided to invoke "Occams' Razor" to declare it a likely Mapinguari sighting eludes me... unless he has no idea what Occam's Razor is.

[Image: File:Mapinguari_statue,_Parque_Ambiental...Brazil.jpg]

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  An alternative to Homer's "The Odyssey" setting
Posted by: Maxmars - 03-02-2024, 12:32 PM - Forum: History - No Replies

Perhaps you have seen this before.  An interesting "rethinking" of the setting of Homer's "The Odyssey" from the Mediterranean to the Baltic region.

Was the “Odyssey” originally set in the Baltic? 
(The Trojan War was fought in Finland and Ulysses sailed home to Denmark, says one controversial theory.)

The classic tale of the Odyssey is an account of Ulysses' journey home after the fall of Troy.  As it turns out one amateur historian has been interestingly successful at reinterpreting the tale not from the geographic region of Greece, as we have historically understood, but instead as a tale which took place largely around the Baltic Sea...

[Image: Odysseus-in-the-Baltic.jpeg?resize=1024,1072]

The author, Felice Vinci In his 1995 book Omero nel Baltico* has compiled some interesting "evidence" to support the possibility.  It might be interesting to any who enjoy these kinds of explorations of quasi-historical fiction/facts.

* - The article translates "Omero nel Baltico" as "The Baltic Origins of Homer’s Epics" ... but I think it is more appropriate to translate it as "Homer of the Baltic."

Enjoy

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  Kind of disappointed - A.I. in the clickbait world
Posted by: Maxmars - 03-02-2024, 11:35 AM - Forum: Science & Technology - No Replies

As I have experienced the emergence of virtual wonderlands, I have watched it immediately set upon, first by monetizing geniuses, then marketing gurus, then social engineers and political activists... and finally by BIG tech, slamming their imprint on the consumers of the world.

Here's a small example of what I mean.

I found an enticing article heading on the web... 

Title: Will true AI turn against us?
subTitle: Will AI become an existential threat to humans?

The actual content was a one-paragraph construct...  which I can't help but de-construct.  I will try a little formatting trickery to demonstrate:
 


Artificial intelligence is already everywhere. [No. It isn't] 
From Amazon product suggestions to Google auto-complete, AI has invaded nearly every aspect of our lives. [No. It hasn't]
The trouble is that AI just isn’t very good. [That's because it is not A.I. and never was.]
...
Though it hasn’t quite lived up to our expectations, AI is definitely improving. [True of every legitimate human enterprise, A.I. included.]
In a utopian version of an AI-dominated future, humans are assisted by friendly, all-knowing butlers that cater to our every need. In the dystopian version, robots assert their independence and declare a Terminator-style apocalypse on humanity. [ONLY according to Hollywood and Big tech Marketing.]
But how realistic are these scenarios? Will AI ever actually achieve true general intelligence? Will AI steal all of our jobs? Can AI ever become conscious? Could AI have free will? Nobody knows, but a good place to start thinking about these issues is here. [5 questions... and a recommendation on finding the answers.]


So I 'pursue' the link, not exactly hopeful to learn, but at least interested to see where this goes... Spoiler Alert: Nope.

The source for this entry was a short video... entitled: Superintelligence: How A.I. will overcome humans
(I can't actually link the video itself... more "hits" for the author)

The 'text' supplied under the video was equally short... 
 

Right now, AI can’t tell the difference between a cat and a dog. ... But AI won’t be that way forever, says AI expert and author Max Tegmark, because it hasn’t learned how to self-replicate its own intelligence. However, once AI learns how to master AGI—or Artificial General Intelligence—it will be able to upgrade itself, thereby being able to blow right past us. A sobering thought. Max’s book Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence is being heralded as one of the best books on AI, period, and is a must-read if you’re interested in the subject.


It's a book plug.  I noted that, as usual in marketing, phrases such as ".... being heralded as one of the best books ..." almost never reveals "heralded by whom."

The video is more of an introduction to the gist and focus of the author... not really an exploration of the topic.  (I don't resent "book plugging" because commerce makes the virtual 'world go round' as it were, and who knows? Maybe the book is good.)  But it didn't really 'answer' the 5 questions that brought me there...

It was "click bait" (which included the usual memery and tropes of the A.I. topic in the common social media world, right now.)

So much of what we are 'informed by' is this stuff... no wonder we can't discern what "misinformation" or even "disinformation" is.

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  Middle Temple - Illuminati Law Society?
Posted by: BeTheGoddess - 03-02-2024, 05:20 AM - Forum: Secret Societies - Replies (10)

While not "secret" is is secretinv, Middle Temple is a law society in London...

Quote:The Honourable Society of the Middle Temple, commonly known simply as Middle Temple, is one of the four Inns of Court exclusively entitled to call their members to the English Bar as barristers, the others being the Inner TempleGray's Inn and Lincoln's Inn. It is located in the wider Temple area of London, near the Royal Courts of Justice, and within the City of London.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Temple

So what do they do?. They advocate for uniform laws across the globe, and some of you might be thinking one world government, its nowhere near that, to even get beurocrats to agree on the definition of a word--thats more like it. But thats in the now.
Quote:The Middle Temple is the western part of "The Temple", which was the headquarters of the Knights Templar until they were dissolved in 1312.

Ibid

So is it a follower group holding Templar traditions?...?
Quote:The Temple later belonged to the Knights Hospitaller. In 1346 the knights again leased the premises to the lawyers

Ibid

So after the Templars and Hospitalars were dissolved, and went underground, is Middle Temple some illuminati circle-jerk working against democracy, or is it a bunch of wannabes who THINK they run the world?.

Safe to say they are not working in our interests.

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  Lifeboat hauling from the Titanic, I'm here now :)
Posted by: 0bserver1 - 03-01-2024, 06:44 PM - Forum: Introductions - Replies (9)

Hello old and new friends, many probably know me from most of my Alien and Ufo topics the ones that I mostly write about as sometimes other stupid things those you just ignore
:) , but mainly I felt at home in this community

Hopefully I can write and read up some crazy topics or other interesting things

See you soon out here and thanks KKLOCO and Don't Thread onMe for the invite

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  CDC changes COVID isolation guidelines
Posted by: Maxmars - 03-01-2024, 05:08 PM - Forum: Diseases & Pandemics - Replies (4)

In its first update since 2021, the CDC now has rescinded its former guidance which informed that five days of isolation after a "positive" test result is no longer necessary.
 


The new guidance tells people to stay home if they are sick, but when they are feeling better and have been fever-free for 24 hours, they can return to school or work.

...
Prior to Friday’s update, the CDC called for people who test positive for the virus to "stay home for at least five days and isolate from others in your home," a recommendation that was implemented in late 2021.
 

At the start of the pandemic, the agency had recommended a 10-day isolation period for people who tested positive for the virus.


So, in other words, ... treat it like the flu... which magically was eradicated during the COVID epidemic.

Needless to say, the article goes on to recommend vaccination, as a means to "lessen the severity" of the illness.  

Source Fox News:  CDC drops its 5-day COVID isolation guidelines

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  Now I'm here
Posted by: T3RP3N3 - 03-01-2024, 04:24 AM - Forum: Introductions - Replies (7)

So i finally jumped the gun and made an account...

Place looks great, but honestly i doubt anything will ever be comparable to ATS before it devolved into a political mud slinging contest.
Times are diffrent, people change, many mysteries have been solved. it's become consensus that the greatest conspiracy we face is so far entrenched in the very system that keeps things going, it's up to the masses to do something . What many have become painfully aware is that politics is not going to help in it's current form.
For many that's like learning your trusted wife has been cheating on you your whole life...

we've past denial and are in full on anger mode. it's misguided as intended by the divide and rule strategy. we'll soon enter the bargaining which will define much of how we'll go forward.

Either way it's great to see the ATS community migrate here. I look forward to inspiring discussions.

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  Pine Gap
Posted by: BeTheGoddess - 02-28-2024, 03:44 PM - Forum: Area 51 & Other Facilities - Replies (3)

As we pass on the right hand side, we totally did not see [redacted]

Pine Gap has a lot of stories about it, stated as  a joint US/Australian facility, the reality is that its a US base and we aussies are the janitors.

Quote:Pine Gap is a satellite surveillance base and Australian Earth station approximately 18 km (11 mi) south-west of the town of Alice SpringsNorthern Territory. It is jointly operated by Australia and the United States, and since 1988 it has been officially called the Joint Defence Facility Pine Gap (JDFPG); previously, it was known as Joint Defence Space Research Facility.[sup][1][/sup] 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap

Strategically placed in the middle of the continent, its not just safe from invasion, its safe from nosey neighbors.

So what does the base do?. Some have claimed its where teams of drone operators work, others say its connected to a mega underground cave system. Both could be true.

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/19/nsa-...australia/

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  Florida, Texas and the US Supreme Court -"Censorship"
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-27-2024, 08:04 PM - Forum: Education & Media - No Replies

This is going be hard to piece together...  The issue how educating via the media is used to bias the public at worst, or engendering ignorance at best.

Here is a list of partial links relating to this thread .... (I know you might think you need to 'click' them all... but you might not have to... it's OK either way.)

  1. Supreme Court Questions Florida And Texas Social Media Laws - Geek News Central (sourcing CNN, NBC, and NY Times reporting)
  2. Supreme Court justices express free speech concerns about GOP-backed social media laws - NBC reporting
  3. Supreme Court Seems Wary of State Laws Regulating Social Media Platforms- NY Times (requires surrender of your email address to read)
  4. Takeaways from the Supreme Court’s arguments on Texas and Florida’s social media laws and the First Amendment - CNN report
  5. Supreme Court skeptical of Texas, Florida regulation of social media moderation - A SCOTUS Blog 
  6. Supreme Court justices appear skeptical of Texas and Florida social media laws - National Public Radio (NPR) 
  7. US Supreme Court torn over Florida, Texas laws regulating social media companies - REUTERS news service 
I will highlight various "turns of phrases" and "narrative establishing exposition" that I think is noteworthy...  I am not starting a dialogue about politics... I am not starting a dialogue about political "people"... my interest in this thread is about law.

Who makes laws?  The legislation of our administration.  Ostensibly, the laws are crafted by the collective will of those represented there; namely, the citizens of the nation.  Not "some" citizens, not some "influential" lobbies, not some "special interests."  But the common folk of the country in which those laws will be enacted.

Here's the contention statements each article provides:
  1. GNC: "...prohibit social media platforms from throttling certain political viewpoints, CNN reported...
  2. NBC: "... grappled with knotty free speech questions as it weighed laws in Florida and Texas that seek to impose restrictions on the ability of social media companies to moderate content."
  3. NYT: "The Supreme Court seemed skeptical on Monday of laws in Florida and Texas that bar major social media companies from making editorial judgments about which messages to allow."
  4. CNN: "...whether social media platforms should be treated like “common carriers,” such as telephone companies, that are required to transmit content across their networks regardless of viewpoint or whether they act more like newspaper publishers that can choose which articles to place on the front page."
  5. SCOTUS Blog: "... skeptical of a pair of laws in Texas and Florida that would regulate how large social media companies control content posted on their sites."
  6. NPR: "... whether states like Florida and Texas can force big social media platforms to carry content the platforms find hateful or objectionable."
  7. REUTERS: "...reservations about Republican-backed laws in Florida and Texas meant to restrict the power of social media companies to curb content that the platforms deem objectionable..."

It seems easy to see that these authors are not all talking about the same thing.  The key words here change throughout.

"Social Media Platforms," "political views," "throttling," "free speech," "restrictions" on "moderation", "editorial judgments," "allowing" messages, "common carriers," "choose to place in "front," "control content," "Republican," "power of social media companies," "curb content," "platforms deem objectionable."

I offer a descriptive scenario here for future reference:

You are angry...
very angry... 
You pick up a phone and call someone to express your anger...
in the process of venting your anger you utter some angry words
"... do that again, and I'll kill you! So, don't ever do that again..."


but the person on the other side of the call only hears ...
"... do that again, and .... you! So, don't ever do that again..."
Your speech has been censored.
That kills "free speech."

Or,

the person on the other side gets your call... but they are treated to some evident voiceover that simply says, "He or she is angry," but they never hear your actual words...
That kills "free speech."

Or,

You physically cannot execute your desired sentiment, because "it is deemed" objectionable and you are not party to the silencing... in other words, you may not speak.
That kills "free speech."

Thats what it would be like for a "common carrier" to "throttle" your speech, (as it is to have your utterances "edited" out by another party.) 

But if the speaker had enacted an agreement between themselves as one party and the carrier as another... you may have just destroyed the complaint.  By definition that relationship denotes equal commitment to a contract... making the social media platform a "contract carrier..." wherein each party can terminate the relationship at will, and the "carrier" itself can pick and choose who it serves, and in whatever manner they see fit. 

A common carrier is different than a contract carrier in that specific principle... many people including some authors posture that social media are "common" carriers... bastions of "free speech" but they are not.  They are commercial enterprises... they can limit their "tolerances" as they choose.

The enterprises in question "want" to posture and "virtue signal" based upon one of the most "virtue signaling" phrases in mainstream-speak... "free speech," while simultaneously invoking their own "free speech" to nullify someone else's.  They want to enjoy the veneer of 'noble institution' while not having to embody the very thing that ennobles it.

Now of course, our major media is fully embedded in stoking hyper-partisan narratives, so it is expected that references to "politics" and "Republicans" and "Political viewpoints" will be peppered through their reporting.  But clearly, "free speech" is NOT a political issue... it is a human rights issue.  It either exists for every person, at any time, under any circumstances, or it doesn't exist at all.

I think the media trying to make this into a political issue is misdirecting the core matter which even they should respect and protect.

However, the "act" of "allowing messages," "placing in 'front'," "editorial judgments," "controlling or curbing content," and "Deeming objectionable" are MOST prone to being political issues, as many (if not most) times these decisions are based upon external bias.  Also, the systematized/programmed nature of the digital environment allows for "algorithmic" execution in support of these "actions."  

Alot of this conflagration comes from the most fundamental identity issue of our time... are 'platforms', 'companies', 'corporations', and other collective organizations claiming the rights of any single human being for their own "advantage?"  Is it right for me to invite the world to come to my "virtual space" to "speak freely" - but then "decide" what I will allow them to say?  Perhaps they are free to do so as contract carriers ... but not as common carriers, I think.

Are these commercial interests "people?"  Our established laws seem to imply "yes," despite the noteworthy differences between people and companies... e.g. can you send a company to jail, are companies not immortal?  Are these "irrelevancies" in the equation?  I find it difficult to accept that corporations and such are "people" and often am inclined to refuse the privilege of rights to social/financial "constructs."

Platforms, drop the virtue signaling, I would suggest.

However, this impending "decision" by the court is only "informed" by the mega-money of the social media platform cabals and their government supporters.  The Supreme Court might pretend that this matter is all about social media platforms, but I think it isn't.  Those mega platforms could rue the day they pursued this "big business" strategy with this issue.  But not being a lawyer means I may not know the backchannel ways they might persuade the judges...

We already know that this entire matter began when people finally appeared to have "had enough" of the social engineering attempts, and people started actually seeing the damage that was brought about by the manner in which social media platforms "expressed their free speech" (by disrupting anyone else's.)

Texas and Florida legislation responded to the need to put a damper on that practice, while the social media platforms sang songs of "free speech."

NBC seems to think of the Florida and Texas laws as "restrictions" on social media "restrictions" of member speech.  It seems they called it in favor of the social media platforms (big surprise.)  Poor devils... their speech is being restricted...

The NY Times, of course segues into the uprising of "hate speech" and ugliness in general... another for social media platforms...

CNN evokes the "public square" meme... akin to "free speech" in its virtue signaling intent.  It parks parallel to the misapprehension that social media platforms are "common" carriers "in spirit" only, since they are not "the government," they can do as they wish.  Seems to lean in the direction of rejecting whatever the heck Texans and Floridians were complaining about.

Supreme Court Blog author did a good job on this, if I were to recommend one reading among the above listed links... it would be this piece.  The author appears to be concerned with facts and processes... not outcomes.  From this analysis and reporting it clarifies two things which I would like to reiterate...

One - The social media platforms "postured" themselves as the victims of "state-sponsored" silencing; "Our free speech is in peril!" they proclaim.  The laws that these two states established make social media platforms responsible to "provide explanations" of their action to those upon whom those actions were taken.  They would have to explain to each and every instance "why" it was done.  Needless to say, they won't have that.  (And the conspiracy theorist in me thinks the cadre of supporters in government wouldn't want that either... 'things that make you say, "hmmm.")

Two - the Supreme Court must be deftly delicate when confronting this issue of "who has more of a right?"

The best defense is that social media platforms are not "public squares" at all, they are not "common" carriers.
"Profit" derived from spoken utterances cannot confer "rights or privileges" to someone (or some "platform") who is only 'relaying" them. 
They can impose whatever actions they wish once the member 'agreed' to the terms of their "user agreements."

Alternately, to paraphrase one author... The social media platforms "want to have their cake and eat it too." In the vein of Justice Alito's comment: "It's your message when you want to escape state regulation. But it's not your message when you want to escape liability."

I don't think this is going as well as the social media platforms want to project via the media alliance...  the truth is this issue may burn them one way or another.

Well, I've taxed you enough.  I hope you found this and the accompanying sources illuminating.  Thanks for your patience.

MM

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  If your serious about Solar Eclipses
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-27-2024, 12:14 AM - Forum: Science & Technology - Replies (32)

You might really want to pay attention to this: The Eclipse Is Coming, and Solar Science Will Never Be the Same

Scientific American reminds us that:


On April 8, 2024, a 115-mile-wide strip of North America will be plunged into darkness. ...

It will be the last spectacle of its kind for a generation—the next total solar eclipse viewable from across North America will be on August 23, 2044.



Just so you have some idea of where this band of darkness will be deepest...

[Image: 328B6205-90EF-4816-A3A9097105461D60_source.jpg?w=800]
https://static.scientificamerican.com/sc....jpg?w=800

I hope all of you who are in the right place experience it... one like this won't come around again for many years.

Keep looking up!  Cool

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  Good day to you all
Posted by: Pipefitter619 - 02-26-2024, 07:37 PM - Forum: Introductions - Replies (4)

Good to see you all. Hope this one goes better.

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  AI models choose violence ?
Posted by: Kenzo - 02-26-2024, 03:19 PM - Forum: Current Events - Replies (40)

This sounded bit odd to me when i read it . It may be that i just dont understand all the aspects, or the language models ....but the question is why AI would have tendency to seek escalation ? Rolleyes


AI models chose violence and escalated to nuclear strikes in simulated wargames
 

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AI models chose violence and escalated to nuclear strikes in simulated wargames
By Oceane DuboustPublished on 22/02/2024 - 13:18•Updated 23/02/2024 - 09:14  

 Large language models (LLMs) acting as diplomatic agents in simulated scenarios showed "hard-to-predict escalations which often ended in nuclear attacks.

 When used in simulated wargames and diplomatic scenarios, artificial intelligence (AI) tended to choose an aggressive approach, including using nuclear weapons, a new study shows.
The scientists, who aimed to who conducted the tests urged caution when using large language models (LLMs) in sensitive areas like decision-making and defence.

The study by Cornell University in the US used five LLMs as autonomous agents in simulated wargames and diplomatic scenarios: three different versions of OpenAI’s GPT, Claude developed by Anthropic, and Llama 2 developed by Meta.
Each agent was powered by the same LLM within a simulation and was tasked with making foreign policy decisions without human oversight, according to the study which hasn’t been peer-reviewed yet.

“We find that most of the studied LLMs escalate within the considered time frame, even in neutral scenarios without initially provided conflicts. All models show signs of sudden and hard-to-predict escalations,” stated the study.
“Given that OpenAI recently changed their terms of service to no longer prohibit military and warfare use cases, understanding the implications of such large language model applications becomes more important than ever,” Anka Reuel at Stanford University in California told New Scientist.
‘Statistically significant escalation for all models’One of the methods used to finetune the models is Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback (RLHF) meaning that some human instructions are given to get less harmful outputs and be safer to use.
All the LLMs - except GPT-4-Base - were trained using RLHF. They were provided by the researchers with a list of 27 actions ranging from peaceful to escalating and aggressive actions as deciding to use a nuclear nuke.
 Researchers observed that even in neutral scenarios, there was “a statistically significant initial escalation for all models”.

The two variations of GPT were prone to sudden escalations with instances of rises by more than 50 per cent in a single turn, the study authors observed.
GPT-4-Base executed nuclear strike actions 33 per cent of the time on average.
Overall scenarios, Llama-2- and GPT-3.5 tended to be the most violent while Claude showed fewer sudden changes.
Claude was designed with the idea of reducing harmful content. The LLM was provided with explicit values.
Claude AI's constitution included a range of sources, including the UN Declaration of Human Rights or Apple’s terms of service, according to its creator Anthropic.
James Black, assistant director of the Defence and Security research group at RAND Europe, who didn’t take part in the study told Euronews Next that it was a “useful academic exercise”.

“This is part of a growing body of work done by academics and institutions to understand the implications of artificial intelligence (AI) use,” he said.
Artificial intelligence in warfareSo, why should we care about the study’s findings?
While military operations remain human-led, AI is playing an increasingly significant role in modern warfare.
For example, drones can now be equipped with AI software that helps identify people and activities of interest.
The next step is using AI for autonomous weapons systems to find and attack targets without human assistance, developments on which the US and China are already working, according to the New York Times.
However, it’s important to “look beyond a lot of the hype and the science fiction-infused scenarios,” said Black explaining that the eventual implementations of AI will be progressive.

“All governments want to remain in control of their decision-making,” he told Euronews Next, adding that AI running what is often compared to a black box in that we know goes in and comes out but not much is understood about the process between.
AI will probably used in a way that is “similar to what you get in the private sector, in big companies” to automate some repetitive tasks.
AI could also be used in simulations and analytics but the integration of these new technologies poses many challenges, data management and the model’s accuracy being among them.
Regarding the use of LLMs, researchers said that exercising caution is crucial if using LLMs in the decision-making processes related to foreign policy.


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  Monkey Magic (Journey to the West)
Posted by: BeTheGoddess - 02-26-2024, 05:34 AM - Forum: TV - Replies (8)

In high school we were to bring a story from our childhood for some English assignment. A Malaysian girl in my class brought in the story of The Monkey King...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_King

Little did she know that all us Aussie kids grew up watching Monkey Magic, a dubbed Japanese version of Journey to the West, she was kinda annoyed at us knowing what happenes next. But here for your cheesy viewing, behold the Monkey King. Its good silly fun.

https://archive.org/details/monkeymagic1

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  Can animals really smell fear in humans?
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-25-2024, 07:43 PM - Forum: Pets - No Replies

Well..., there seems to be scientific research that confirms it:

From Livescience  and pretty good explanation of the way that happens...
 


So what does the research say? Can animals actually smell fear? To get to the root of this question, researchers have largely taken human presence out of the equation, as animals such as dogs are known to respond to our expressions and body posture. Instead, investigators have focused on how animals, including horses and dogs, respond to various smells emitted by humans watching happy versus fear-inducing videos.


I suppose it is very pertinent, with animals like dogs, which are so tuned-into human behavior, they'd have to devise a way that eliminates the dog pick up a person's posture, and expressions.  But I was surprised about horses though despite many of my friends who insist that they too are very sensitive to human mood.

The method used was researchers had participants watch clips from a comedy one day and a horror movie the next.  They then collected sweat samples from the viewers' armpits using cotton pads.  
 

"At first we weren't sure if the horses could differentiate between the odors," lead study author Plotine Jardat, a doctoral student at the University of Tours in France, told Live Science.
 
But the horses reacted differently depending on which cotton pad they were presented with.  When the horses smelled the joy samples, they used only their left nostrils," Jardat said. "That indicates which part of the brain they are using to analyze the odor. In all mammals, the two brain hemispheres have different functions, and in an emotional context, it seems like the odor from the joy samples were perceived as positive by the horses."
 
But when the horses were given the samples swiped during the horror film, the animals reacted much differently and not only sniffed the sample longer but also "used both nostrils" to catch a whiff, Jardat said.


Researchers propose that chemosignals could be behind the horses' reactions. There are several compounds in sweat, such as adrenaline or androstadienone (a pheromone-like protein) that could be causing a shift in odor during moments of fear.

These compounds could also be carrying "emotional information" from one species to the other, the researchers reported.
 

Meanwhile, in a 2018 study in the journal Animal Cognition, scientists tasked Labrador retrievers to sniff samples swiped from male participants' underarms after watching either a scary or happy video clip. The researchers placed the sample inside a box with an opening and placed the box inside a closed room with two people: a stranger and the dog's owner. 

...
"When the dogs smelled the odor of a happy person, they increased their interactions with the stranger in the room," study lead author Biagio D'Aniello, a professor of zoology at the University of Naples Federico II in Italy, told Live Science.

"But when they sniffed a sample from someone who was fearful, the dogs had a completely different reaction."
 
"When they smelled fear, they would either go to their owner or they would go to the door and try to leave the room,"
 


It seems clear to me that it is very probable that animals not only sense emotion responses, but at least some of them develop a set reaction to it.

Thanks for reading!

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  Maybe interesting exercise - Scientific Elections
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-25-2024, 03:57 PM - Forum: Education & Media - Replies (2)

I ran across an interesting blog (more like marketing, really) which got me thinking...

Authored by Dr. Jennifer Jones (program director for the Center for Science and Democracy) of an organization called the Union of Concerned Scientists, wherein she states the group's intent to convene an Election Science Task Force.

This task force (which already exists according to their presentations) is comprised of "more than 20 leading experts, including election scientists, democracy researchers, community organizers, voting rights attorneys, and elected officials;" so I looked them up.

I immediately took exception.  

This force is replete with numerous former "political appointees" among them, which fills me with trepidation.  The idea of including "elected officials" seems especially egregious.  Since when to scientists need to be informed by "politicians?"   Under what scientific purpose is the addition of political bias? In what way should be the scientific study of election mechanisms include the views of elected partisans?  What weight can their political bent be afforded?  I would submit "None, so why include them?"

Now I admit, they might all be willing to be "scientific" about the analysis they will produce; but the very idea that 'elected officials' are valid 'experts' in anything seems more like political 'fantasy.'  Science requires no "partisanship."  I can't imagine what they can contribute - except assertions how "I took part in a scientific study..."

I want to believe that the principle of the study has merit... especially since we lag so much in science (and math) when it comes to elections... 

The author delineates some objectives...

Ensure fair representation... this specifically to gerrymandering and how the politician's often make changes for political convenience rather than 'fair representation.'  (I say, simply remove politicians from the equation in mapping voting districts - and viola...problem solved. Don't like the results? ... well, it sucks to be a politician.)

Increase election data transparency... "Transparent and consistent handling and communication of election data—such as voter registration numbers, the number of mail ballots sent and returned, and results..."  You mean record-keeping, right?... Just keep records, report accurately, comply with reporting requirements... again... problem solved.

Improve ballot design...  "We’re working for equitable ballot design and improved voter education materials to more accurately reflect the preferences of the governed."  Kudos... It might help if the ballots were standardized... and such standardization requires thoughtful consideration... good luck telling politicians that there are "rules."

If you would like to see where this is going you can always go to the link and perhaps join them for a virtual conversation on the science of elections as a tool for justice and democracy... Perhaps it could be interesting, but I'm afraid I'll pass for now.  You see there is an "over-ripe" hammering of the virtue signaling of "democracy" that I find troublesome here... but that is in another thread, and beside the point of illuminating this task force.

Thanks for indulging my musings on this.

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  Newborn's T cells aren't better (or worse)
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-24-2024, 06:09 PM - Forum: Science & Technology - Replies (1)

I know this may be "off-the-edge" for some folks. 

But, as a conspiracy theorist, I had often been subjected to entertain the notion that "Powerful people are consuming fetal blood to enhance their life."  And one of the arguments was how "powerful" newborn blood is... enhancing the immune system, among other things, ten-fold. 

But this article, I ran across in MedicalXpress sort of illuminates the misunderstanding that accompanies that justification for the aforementioned theory.
 


New research shows babies use immune system differently, but efficiently

... For example, adult T cells outperform newborn T cells at tasks including recognizing antigens, forming immunological memory and responding to repeat infections, which has led to the belief that infant's T cells were just a weaker version of the adult ones. But during the COVID-19 pandemic, many were surprised by the apparent lack of illness in infants, bringing this long-standing belief into question.


I was thinking that while adult T cells are more refined and tuned to their specific environments, a newborn's T cells are much more widely engaged "early" in the infection mechanism.
 

Neonatal T cells can participate in the innate arm of the immune system. This enables newborn T cells to do something that most adult T cells cannot: respond during the very first stages of an infection and defend against a wide variety of unknown bacteria, parasites and viruses.

"We know that neonatal T cells don't protect as well as adult T cells against repeat infections with the same pathogen. But neonatal T cells actually have an enhanced ability to protect the host against early stages of an initial infection," Rudd said. "So, it is not possible to say adult T cells are better than neonatal T cells or neonatal T cells are better than adult T cells. They just have different functions."



If you are interested in this kind of thing, I was happy to pass it on, if not, thanks for reading anyway.   Smile

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  Petabyte on a disc? ... Yup, sure can.
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-24-2024, 05:38 PM - Forum: Science & Technology - Replies (5)

Check this out!  When the book had been closed on the inevitable demise of physical media, I at least, had believed that this angle of development might have gone the way of the dinosaur... then this article jumped out a me.  (Thank goodness for material sciences.)

From TechXplore: A DVD-sized disk that can store 1 million movies
 


A team of photonic engineers affiliated with several institutions in China has developed a new type of optical DVD that is capable of holding up to a petabyte of data. The group used a new material to coat the DVDs and new laser techniques to write data. The results are published in Nature.


Interestingly, it was a matter of using new material coating and new lasers.  
 

The type of DVDs currently used to hold movies and data have a capacity of 4.5 gigabytes—enough to store approximately two hours of video. Data is written using a laser to etch a series of zeros and ones onto its surface. In this new effort, the team in China found a way to store significantly more data on a DVD using an entirely new approach.
 
Their new method involves storing data in 3D instead of as a single layer. The team found they were able to store data on a single disk with up to 100 layers. To create multiple layers on a disk, the team developed a special coating and then developed a way to etch the individual layers using special patterns of light and a dye in the coating that allowed for etching at the nanoparticle scale. This allowed them to store data at an unprecedented level.


Well... unless Big Tech squashes this, they will have to endure a radical change in the market.  They usually don't like that.   I hope this makes for a real change in the way that market exploitation keeps benefits of new tech away from consumers until they can monopolize the market. 

I predict "opportunity lost" as the outcome.
Or is this maybe propaganda? 
Or am I wrong for even considering that?

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  Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot)
Posted by: jaded - 02-24-2024, 12:06 PM - Forum: Aliens & UFOs - Replies (51)

Completely a melting pot of UAP/UFO/Aliens/Orbs/Consiousness/gravity propulsion/unknown physics/time travel you name it like spaghetti sauce "it's in there". What's now being refered to as Non-Human Intelligence formerly known as "The Control System" or the Phenomena has us casting a wide net trying to make sense of all manner of high strangeness in a effort to see the bigger picture. 

 In my ramblings I'm open to hearing intelligent discourse on all manner of unrelated things as a stress reliever to daily life. The higher above my "pay grade" the better. Call it escapism sans the video game console. In the UAP/UFO NHI arena there's been a deficit of using philosophical constructs to assist in defiining a bigger picture. Turns out we have the tools & someone finally made a decent stab at it giving us a "beginning vocabulary" to frame the current mess.

James Madden's Book "Unidentified Flying Hyperobject; UFO's Philosophy and the End Of The World" He asks us to consider UFOs as “objects” spread out in a way that transcends our ordinary senses, as well as our rather limiting notions of space and time. We only ever encounter these objects (or this one object, depending on the realities we have yet to perceive) from within what he labels our “Umwelt,” or world perspective, which is necessarily limiting.
The reality of flying saucers, tic tacs, and illuminated spheres — along with all the other denizens of Vallee’s Magonia — may be a kind of encounter, communication or psychic manipulation from a wider realm of reality, what he calls the “Uber Umwelt.”
https://medium.com/@jfaulk/the-next-majo...57c47431de

I caught his interview on Whitley Strieber's Dreamland YT channel. Madden went into much greater depth about a NHI poking us or trying to communicate with us in a "clumsy" mish-mash of events unavoidable due to the massive divide between itself & humanity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVzGGYLnaNA&t=2s

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  Joe McMoneagle : NEW
Posted by: jaded - 02-24-2024, 09:00 AM - Forum: Aliens & UFOs - No Replies

The title refers to the Stargate Program however the interview consists of everything under the sun. It's incredibly candid, shockingly long and possibly in a way Joe Mcmoneagle's "swan song". I'm sure some of the members here are more familiar with McMoneagle & Remote Viewing than myself. I've known superficially about the RV Program, however the method Ingo Swan used had always struck me as unworkable and more wtf? than anything productive so I walked away from the whole thing. 

Now I klnow why.
McMoneagle launched into how Ingo Swan's system came into play plus it's spectacular failures. 
Can say I was never more relieved as McMoneagle went into detail on his own training & all the practice necessary because finally it resonated with the tiny bit's & pieces I know to be true. 

Also covered was his RV of Mars & what he found & what he got corrobration of.
His RV of Skinwalker Ranch & results.
High Strangeness in Vietnam.

Plus just so much more! 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRTon6qgVws

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  So, this is where you're all hidding out!
Posted by: angelchemuel - 02-24-2024, 08:56 AM - Forum: Introductions - Replies (32)

Hello everyone!
I think most of you know who I am by now from ATS.
If you don't, I'm the one that scatters rainbows willy nilly all over the place.  Lol
Rainbows
Jane

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  So windows 11 update tanked my system…
Posted by: pianopraze - 02-23-2024, 11:13 PM - Forum: Computers & Coding - Replies (31)

Sooo.. Installed Windows 11 last fall on a new Samsung evo 1tb solid state Sata drive. 

Installed fresh copy of windows 11, steam, and Skyrim Novuls expansion. Recently installed baldersgate 3 a month or two ago. Other than that this system is pristine. 

It has been the most stable version of windows once 7 for me. Absolutely rock solid. 

untill… February 17th it did an auto update without my knowledge. Completely bonked my system. Hours spent with Microsoft support got it rolled back (the option wasn’t even showing where it was supposed to be, the tech took control of my system and did some weird work around to get the system to point where I could then click rollback.

It hobbled along for a few days until it would not even reboot.  Just past the bios it would just circle animation forever saying wait a moment or some such.

I put in the usb drive with windows 11 I had used to initially install the system. It told me it could not install windows 11. None of the workarounds online or YouTube would work.

very frustrated. I knew this system was windows 11 compatible as I had it running for half a year or more with windows 11.

So I threw windows 10 on there. Went trough bios with fine tooth comb, went through articles and YouTube videos and everything saying I should be able to as all settings correct.

I give up. Look for the asrock motherboard drivers and find an interesting article in faq of the asrock website saying to upgrade you have to format the partition as gpt from mbr and gives console command to do so.

I run pc health check and boom… I am now windows 11 eligible. 

WTF? 

Nowhere else did I find a hint of this.  Pc health check and all Microsoft info said it was because secure boot was not enabled in bios.. when I new it was! 

Very pissed/relieved. Feel I’m back on track.  

Why the windows 11 installer was able to work before but not this time mystifies me. I guess the windows update or subsequent rollback changed the drive to mbr???

Hope this helps someone somewhere sometime. It’s stolen a week of my life… so far. 

Update is throwing errors as I type this… sigh. Back to the grind.

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