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  Chinese state-linked hacking group 'leak'
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-23-2024, 09:00 PM - Forum: General Conspiracies - Replies (9)

Source article from HITBSecNews: Leaked docs reveal how Chinese state-aligned hackers spy on citizens, foreigners

I have some question, of course, maybe you all know the answers...
 


A trove of leaked documents from a Chinese state-linked hacking group shows that Beijing’s intelligence and military groups are carrying out large-scale, systematic cyber intrusions against foreign governments, companies and infrastructure — exploiting what the hackers claim are vulnerabilities in U.S. software from companies including Microsoft, Apple and Google.


Question 1 -
The term "Chinese state-linked" means what exactly?  Are they "hired" groups (mercenary-esque) who were simply engaged by representatives of the Chinese government?  Are they hacking groups who are somehow "loyal" to the Chinese government?  Is this sort of like how everyone who hates us in the Middle East is now reported as Iran-linked?  I only ask because I always thought of these 'hacking' groups as obtusely non-state-aligned... (except maybe for money.)

Question 2 -
These vulnerabilities they identify in the software of magnificent multinational super-elite software companies... how is it that they are not 'fixed?'  Too expensive? 

It seems unfair to post more of the content here, since it is a brutally short article, but if you are interested in the kind of "enterprises" that governments go to when they want this kind of work done... this might be a good starting place...  when you 'drill down' to their source, the Washington Post, you'll find...
 

... The documents come from iSoon, also known as Auxun, a Chinese firm headquartered in Shanghai that sells third-party hacking and data-gathering services to Chinese government bureaus, security groups and state-owned enterprises.
 
The trove does not include data extracted from Chinese hacking operations but lists targets and — in many cases — summaries of sample data amounts extracted and details on whether the hackers obtained full or partial control of foreign systems.
 
One spreadsheet listed 80 overseas targets that iSoon hackers appeared to have successfully breached. The haul included 95.2 gigabytes of immigration data from India and a 3 terabyte collection of call logs from South Korea’s LG U Plus telecom provider. The group also targeted other telecommunications firms in Hong Kong, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Mongolia, Nepal and Taiwan...


Interesting stuff, no?

OK... OK...  I had to add these the articles I just found...  I'm sure you'll see why...

AT&T Says Outage Wasn't Cyberattack Despite Widespread Conspiracy Theories Online
((Subtitled - Social media users speculated it might have been caused by China or a "false flag" staged by "globalists."))

Law professor fears cyberattacks will 'increase, continue' in wake of pharmacy, AT&T outages  - (from FOX Business)
((Subtitled - Change Healthcare attack and AT&T cyber threat false alarm transpire on same day))

Just food for thought.

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  Another unknown "balloon" crossing US skies...
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-23-2024, 08:43 PM - Forum: Science & Technology - Replies (2)

Several sources on this one...

New York Post - ‘Small’ high-altitude balloon of unknown origin flying over Western US, poses ‘no threat’ to national security: officials
Independent - US military tracking high-altitude balloon flying over Western US
WBAL11 - US tracking balloon seen over southwest earlier Friday, but it does not pose a threat, NORAD says

Among the reports are many assertions about China, of course.  Although it is stated that the object, an approximately 2-foot cube hanging from a 50-foot balloon, is much smaller than the previous instances of such occurrences which were ultimately attributed to China.
 


The nation’s airspace watchdog described it as “small” and said its fighter jets intercepted the balloon over Utah. 
“NORAD will continue to track and monitor the balloon,” the military agency said in a statement. “The FAA also determined the balloon posed no hazard to flight safety.” 


Just thought I would give a "head's up!"

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  The Anglo-American parallels; an election pointer
Posted by: DISRAELI - 02-23-2024, 06:18 PM - Forum: Current Events - No Replies

This is an old thread from 2012 which never really got as much justice from ATS as the thesis desrved. I re-post it now so that it might get some updating a little later.


This is a speculation based on observing the way that British and American politics seem to have been running on parallel lines since the end of World War 2, switching from left to right and back again within a few years of each other.

The timing of the changes is partly governed by the fact that the U.S.  operates on  a fixed-term electoral cycle and the U.K. doesn’t. This flexibility means that a change in the political mood can sometimes be expressed first on the British side of the Atlantic (though it also means that an “old regime” might hang on for a while longer).

The pattern goes like this;
When Japan surrendered in 1945, both countries were under comparatively left-wing governments-  a Democrat administration and a Labour government- which lasted beyond the end of the decade.

The Fifties were dominated by conservatism. There was the Eisenhower era (from 1952), and in Britain there was a time of Conservative government (from 1951), epitomised by Harold Macmillan’s observation that “Some of our people have never had it so good.”

The Sixties were ready for something a little more radical- the Democrats under Kennedy-Johnson (from 1960) and the Labour party under Harold Wilson (from 1964).

Nevertheless, at the end of the decade, they both gave way to more conservative individuals- Richard Nixon (from 1968) and Ted Heath (from 1970). (I swept to power myself in 1970 as the winning candidate in our school’s Mock Election).

Nixon and Heath were both forced out a few years later, but the change happened more quickly in Britain. Ted Heath was able to call an unnecessary election in early 1974 and get himself thrown out almost instantly. Whereas, even after Nixon resigned, the American Constitution kept the Republicans in power until 1976.

So, in the second half of the Seventies, there was, once more, a Democrat administration and a Labour government. Neither of them impressed people by the way they handled crises, and there was another conservative reaction in both countries. Once again, the change happened in Britain first.  Maggie Thatcher was able to force an election in 1979 by winning a “No Confidence” vote in the Commons, while Ronald Reagan had to wait for the fixed election date in 1980.

The Reagan-Bush and Thatcher-Major years were a time of renewed conservative domination. The compatibility between Reagan and Thatcher was noted at the time. Leftists will fondly remember the famous film poster parody, with Reagan carrying Maggie in his arms;
“She promised to follow him to the end of the world.
He promised to arrange it”.

Finally, at the end of the century, conservatism gave way to Clinton and Blair. This time the American change happened first, partly because John Major won an election which nobody was expecting him to win.

Taken individually, all these changes can be explained by local factors, like the Vietnam issue on one side of the Atlantic, and strikes in the nationalised industries on the other.  Nonetheless, when the pattern is taken as a whole, there’s a remarkable sequence of parallels.

I don’t know that the mechanism behind it need be anything more mysterious than having a similar culture with similar reactions to world affairs and economic issues. This would include being more resistant to Socialism than the European countries. Certainly British politics and European politics have not been running in parallel to anything like the same extent.

At first glance, the new century seems to have disrupted the pattern. The British equivalent of Clinton remained in power while America was moving from Left to Right and back again. Or did Tony Blair end up as the British equivalent of Bush Junior after all? Anyway, with the arrival of Gordon Brown and Obama, the two countries were apparently back on parallel tracks.

This brings us to the significance of the 2010 election in Britain. As everyone knows, Gordon Brown found himself discarded, and replaced by David Cameron and the Coalition. So the question is whether this shift in the political mood presages a similar shift on the American side of the Atlantic.

Does it imply that Obama might find himself replaced by a Republican President, on the basis of a rather slender majority?

Or does the precedent suggest, perhaps, that the mood-shift towards conservatism will not be strong enough to bring the Republican party to power unless they can reach an accommodation with more moderate forces?

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  Axum, Ethiopia
Posted by: BeTheGoddess - 02-23-2024, 11:56 AM - Forum: Conspiracies In Religions - Replies (7)

Welcome to Axum, allegedly the home the "true Arc of the Covenant".

Quote:..., UNESCO added Axum's archaeological sites to its list of World Heritage Sites due to their historic value. Prior to the beginning of the Tigray War in 2020, Axum was a leading tourist destination for foreign visitors.[sup][4][/sup]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axum

I first read this in a Graham Handcock book, then later a documentary of the book, but he pisses me off these days so lets ignore him, its not about entheogens so he wont care. There are some dubious claims in the wiki article. But some are strongly heald beilifes by some groups..
Quote:It was rumored to house the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, in which lie the Tablets of Stone upon which the Ten Commandments are inscribed.

The basic jist of the story is that the Arc was smuggled out of Jerusalem after it was sacked by Titus in the whatever year 77?, and got heavy into... no, the Arc was said to be taken up the Nile, then to Ethiopia. One of those claimed places it was held is the Church of Our Ladyof Zion..
Quote:Accordingly, the Ark was moved to the Chapel of the Tablet adjacent to the old church because a divine 'heat' from the Tablets had cracked the stones of its previous inner sanctum. The Ethiopian Empress Menen funded the construction of the new present chapel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_...ry_of_Zion

But is it the real Arc?, copies are known to exist in Ethiopia...
Quote:Tabot (Ge'ez ታቦት tābōt, sometimes spelled tabout) is a replica of the Ark of the Covenant, and represents the presence of God, in Ethiopian Orthodox and Eritrean Orthodox Churches.[sup][1][/sup][sup][2][/sup][sup]: 135 [/sup][sup][3][/sup] Tabot may variously refer to an inscribed altar tablet (tsellat or tsilit; Ge'ez: ጽላት tsallāt, modern ṣellāt), the chest in which this tablet is stored (menbere-tabot, or throne of the tabot), or to the tablet and chest together.[sup][1][/sup][sup][4][/sup]

[sup]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabot

I did actually try search for the Handcock book, but its not by the name I thought it was. If you know the book, do post it.[/sup]

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  Intuitive Machines-1 Lunar Landing 5pm est
Posted by: putnam6 - 02-22-2024, 03:22 PM - Forum: Space - Replies (1)

The landing attempt  moved back

https://plus.nasa.gov/scheduled-video/in...r-landing/


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  Harry and Meghan
Posted by: FlyersFan - 02-22-2024, 02:55 PM - Forum: People - Replies (23)

Why a thread about Harry and Meghan?  Because this forum is empty of any threads and it needs one.

So why not start with Harry and Meghan.

I don't get them at all.  They claim to leave the monarchy in England behind, yet they refuse to give up their royal titles and their place in line for the crown.  I guess they can't grift without them.  Pretty attached to the royal titles and royal treatment for people who supposedly are walking away from it.

She claims to be an actress.  Was in something called 'Suits'.  Never saw it.

They are far left woke and try to tell everyone what to do.   They accused the monarchy of being racist .. I don't believe them. 

I wish they'd move back to England.

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  Popular gadgets for measuring blood sugar - "Not so fast." says FDA
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-22-2024, 01:08 PM - Forum: Diseases & Pandemics - Replies (2)

Since diabetes entered my personal world, I have come to be sensitive to the 'utterances' of medical advertisers, casual conversations, and technical journals.  I had a personal stake, you see... so it seemed reasonable to pay attention to the 'goings on.'  The net result was my complete 'unplugging' from popular "commerce-driven" media...  It turns out that when "making a sale" is the object of the exercise, advertising can be the source of many "bad things."

The Engagdet article I am pointing to seems an affirmation of my decision:

"Don't use smartwatches and rings that claim to measure blood sugar without needles, the FDA warns... It can't be done yet, folks."

Which bears some important information for diabetics who, like many of my acquaintances are always in the market for "better" gizmos.

To summarize:  Despite over a decade of research, there has yet to be a way to measure blood sugar without actually sampling blood.  The FDA has yet to approve any device based upon such a claim. 
 


The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday issued a safety communication warning people to stay way from smartwatches and smart rings that claim to measure blood sugar levels without pricking the skin. “The FDA has not authorized, cleared, or approved any smartwatch or smart ring that is intended to measure or estimate blood glucose values on its own,” the agency wrote in the communication, and asked consumers, patients, and caregivers to stay away from such devices.

Non invasive blood sugar monitoring isn’t currently possible on any consumer device Popular wearables like the Apple Watch and the Oura ring can, instead, pair with FDA-authorized wearable devices like the Dexcom G7, which uses needles to read your blood sugar levels.



The article author closes the article with a bit of advice:
 

... be skeptical of any device that claims to do this right now. Current smartwatches and smart rings “do not directly test blood glucose levels,” the FDA writes. If you spot any company selling a device with these claims, you can report it to the FDA through the agency’s MedWatch Voluntary Reporting Form.


Thanks for your attention.

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  The Lost Dutch People in Australia
Posted by: BeTheGoddess - 02-22-2024, 12:31 PM - Forum: Ancient & Lost Civilizations - No Replies

This is most likely a tall tale from someone who was bored, but there has been a story of a "lost" group of Dutch people in the middle of the desert here in Australia.

I first hear of them from an episode of the TV programme The Bush Tucker Man; some background on him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Hiddins

As for the story goes like this

Quote:Les Hiddins, also known as the “Bush Tucker Man,” has dedicated years to researching a fascinating Australian mystery: the possibility of a Dutch colony existing in Central Australia long before Captain Cook’s arrival. According to a Leeds Mercury newspaper account from 1834, up to 300 Dutch people may have lived in Central Australia from around 1710 until their eventual decline before 1860[sup]1[/sup] 
 
Quote:I've noted in my Instagram Account that there is considerable interest in the episode that we did in the second series of Bush Tucker Man concerning the possible Dutch Colony in Central Australia. That episode was titled The Dutch Settlement. Research on this topic has been ongoing for the past 20 odd years and we now have the situation where the case has been historically proven beyond reasonable doubt.

https://ia804602.us.archive.org/18/items...w-site.pdf

Its not something I believe, while there is a much longer history of Dutch sailors visiting the Western Australian coast, to be able to survive in the interior, its kinda far fetched for me.

Its more of an odity that a whole "lost civilization" but if you want to let us know your thoughts, well thats why we're here.

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  New images emerging now of the British ship "RUBYMAR" that was sunk by the Houthis
Posted by: putnam6 - 02-22-2024, 07:14 AM - Forum: The Middle East - Replies (2)

New images emerging now of the British ship "RUBYMAR" that was sunk by the Houthis in the Red Sea.

How long can this go on in the Red Sea, the US has to be burning through countermeasures.

https://x.com/Osint613/status/1760443420173099083?s=20


Pertinent article 

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy...e-red-sea/
Quote: 
A destroyer’s five-inch gun and smaller missile options would make sense in the Red Sea against incoming Houthi fires, but it remains to be seen whether the surface fleet would culturally choose those options, given how ingrained the concepts of layered defense are within the fleet and the desire to take down a threat from as far away as possible, according to van Tol.
“Ultimately the likely future increase in numbers of simultaneous incoming threats will require higher capacities of defensive fires, and those can’t only be expensive [long-range, surface-to-air missiles], both for cost imposition and limited ship [vertical launch system] capacity reasons,” he said.

“[I have] no idea what specific doctrine our ships are using in the Red Sea, but you generally train to use multiple missiles per engagement,” Holmes said. “If it’s an SM-2 engagement … the latest variant of the SM-2 seems to run about $2.4 million per round, so you’re talking just under $5 million to bring down what is probably an inexpensive threat. And again, weapons expended in the Red Sea are weapons not available in the primary theater, East Asia, and are not quickly replaced.”

 
Still, some analysts argue that shooting Houthi drones out of the sky with SM-2s might not be an ideal solution.
“Today’s operations will stress the sustainability of the U.S. surface fleet, which relies on relatively expensive weapons for self-defense,” Bryan Clark, a retired submariner and current senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, said in an email to Navy Times.
 

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  Long COVID might have 'markers'
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-22-2024, 01:06 AM - Forum: Diseases & Pandemics - Replies (2)

I usually avoid the COVID pandemic topics.  Honestly, mainly because of the social engineering around the issue.  I have found that many people have emotional baggage burdening their opinion about the 'event' (which governments and agencies use as a justification for their destructive policies.)  It's no wonder, economic devastation, lifestyle upheaval, social hysteria... they can leave scars.

But in this case, I want to share an article from Medical Xpress which discusses a condition that many initially ridiculed as "make believe" or "exaggerated hype:" namely, "Long COVID." Once the initial trauma of the 'event' calmed down a bit, research regarding long COVID began but ... as one doctor was quoted in the article, "When the clinic started [2020], a lot of people didn't even believe long COVID was real..."

Now, according to research they have discovered a new commonality in Long COVID suffers...
 


"We have found a potential mechanism underlying long COVID which could represent a biomarker—that is, a tell-tale signature of the condition. We hope that this could help to pave the way to develop therapies and give some patients a firm diagnosis," said co-author, Dr. Benjamin Krishna, from the Cambridge Institute of Therapeutic Immunology & Infectious Disease (CITIID).


As it turns out... 
 

SARS-CoV-2 triggers the production of the antiviral protein IFN-γ [interferon gamma], which is associated with fatigue, muscle ache and depression. New research shows that in long COVID patients, IFN-y production persists until symptoms improve, highlighting a potential biomarker and a target for therapies.
...
They found that the white blood cells of individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 produced IFN-γ, a pro inflammatory molecule, and that this persisted in long COVID patients.
 
Dr. Krishna said, "Interferon gamma can be used to treat viral infections such as hepatitis C but it causes symptoms including fatigue, fever, headache, aching muscles and depression. These symptoms are all too familiar to long COVID patients. For us, that was another smoking gun."


Frankly, any set of symptoms (including side-effects of drugs) that includes 'depression' scares me.  Depression has far-ranging effects on healing and well-being.  But that's just my opinion.

Why the production of this molecule persists even after the COVID infection ends is the question.  But at least they have defined the question, and maybe found a pathway towards better treatments.

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  Tomb of Beermaker to the Gods discovered
Posted by: Byrd - 02-21-2024, 01:32 PM - Forum: Ancient & Lost Civilizations - Replies (4)

Egypt is an archaeologically active country (as you can probably guess) and although we don't see much about it, there's a lot that's discovered about it each month.  While clearing up the courtyard of a large tomb, they came across a new tomb that belonged to a beer maker who brewed special beer for the gods (and the pharaoh) and who was in charge of the storehouses of the pharaoh.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/20/world/mea...ewer-tomb/

The article concludes with a note that robberies of archaeological sites have been a problem in the past and that the new site is, thankfully, under heavy guard.

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  Who You Gonna Call???
Posted by: Byrd - 02-21-2024, 01:19 PM - Forum: Paranormal Studies - Replies (5)

Ghostbusters!!

An enterprising group of Thai students started a business where they will sleep in a house or an apartment and certify the place to be "ghost free"... (here's the story: https://www.odditycentral.com/news/thai-...rvice.html)

So... would you be a client or a ghostbuster?

I've done a little ghost chasing in my time and would be delighted if someone would pay me to stay somewhere and prove there's no ghost there.

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  Quantum computers more affected by cosmic rays than we thought
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-20-2024, 11:10 PM - Forum: Science & Technology - No Replies

If there was ever a potential for a game-changing technology, it lies in quantum computing.  

But of course, this technology is new, and being 'new' means we don't have all the kinks worked out just yet. 
(I say "we" like I have anything to do with it, I'm really just an interested layman.)

Cosmic rays are space-traversing particles (emanations from stars,) they rain down on us pretty much continuously, although for the most part, imperceptibly ...
We've known about cosmic rays since the early 20th century, and it wasn't that no one considered them in regard to quantum device design, their effects were just underestimated.

Quantum computers are elaborate superconducting devices, at this stage, very delicate and sensitive.  Relying on quantum mechanical phenomena means a single particle strike to the device can create spontaneous (and fuzzy) data flipping in the superconducting components.

From a publication in Physics World.
 


Cosmic rays have created headaches in classical computing for decades. When these energetic particles fly in from space and strike a silicon computer chip, one or more bits in the chip may change state, or flip, in ways that programmers never intended. If these errors go uncorrected, damaging glitches may result – including, in one case, injuries to passengers on a Qantas flight after a bit-flip error fed incorrect data to the aeroplane’s instruments.


Now, just like in our day-to-day computing, done on solid-state devices, we have adapted to use 'error-correction' algorithms which identify and mathematically calculate corrections 'on-the-fly' so to speak.  A similar approach is used in reading hard drive data, media streaming, electronic messaging, cellphone services, and the like. 

However...
 

After earlier experiments showed that cosmic rays can severely disrupt the operation of superconducting quantum bits (qubits), an international team led by Robert McDermott of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, US, has now concluded that a leading error-correction method is unlikely to fix the problem on its own.


Quantum computing uses surface code error correction, an inventive two-dimensional trick which kind of allows qubits to 'imply' neighboring data structure....
 

Surface code error correction works by encoding information in a flat sheet of superconducting qubits, each of which is connected to its nearest neighbours. If the error rates of individual qubit operations are low enough, it should be possible to use some of these qubits to identify and correct errors in neighbouring qubits via multi-qubit operations. The other requirement is that errors cannot be correlated – in other words, an error that affects one qubit cannot affect its neighbours at the same time.


... enter the sad news...
 

Unfortunately, McDermott’s team discovered that errors caused by cosmic rays and gamma rays from background radiation do not meet this second condition.
...
Writing in Nature, the researchers suggest two possible solutions. One is to protect the quantum processor by shielding it with lead and shifting it to an underground site, as is already done for dark matter and neutrino detection experiments that are especially sensitive to radiation. Another is to reduce the sensitivity of the qubits by, for example, adding materials to the chip that can trap quasiparticles or funnel them away from the qubit substrate. “It’s a roadblock that we’re going to get over,” Wilen says, adding that the Wisconsin group plans to explore several of these mitigation strategies in the future.
...
...the group also encountered a thornier problem: the energy released in these strikes ultimately gets transferred to the qubit substrate in the form of phonons, which are vibrations in a material and can lead to the creation of quasiparticles. As these phonons spread, they produce other kinds of correlated errors, and these errors affect the entire millimetre-scale chip. This phenomenon is known as quasiparticle poisoning, and Wilen says it “could be really damaging for error correction” unless it can be mitigated.



Their suggested solution seems to be that quantum computing research be conducted under shielding to offer enhanced protection from cosmic ray strikes...
or ... Bury it, and/or make it less sensitive, it would appear...

But I would think they'll never eliminate all cosmic rays, since some can be tremendously energetic.  Feel free to check me, if I'm mistaken.


Anyway... thanks for indulging my little foray into this tiny corner of science news.

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  Heads Up! Satellite returning to Earth - SPLOOSH!
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-19-2024, 10:45 PM - Forum: Science & Technology - Replies (8)

Yeah, I hate the 'jounalistic' way of making these kinds of OPs... I like to say what I would want to hear, and not...

From FOX weather:
School bus-sized satellite to crash into Earth's atmosphere this week

(even the URL for this story was more informative than the title... www.foxweather.com/earth-space/european-satellite-burn-up-over-earth-atmosphere-february)

The article says that this big satellite will likely not survive the atmospheric re-entry on Wednesday morning, this week.

[Image: ERS-2_reentering_the_atmosphere_23_49_UT...illars.png]

ESA’s ERS-2 satellite was spotted on January 29, 2024, tumbling as it descends through the atmosphere.
... captured by cameras on board other satellites by Australian company HEO on behalf of the UK Space Agency.

 


...
Since the spacecraft took a "natural descent" path, ESA could not predict precisely when or where the satellite would come down on Earth but estimated it would happen in February 2024. As the satellite's demise approaches, ESA has been issuing updates.PT

ESA's Space Debris Office released its latest re-entry prediction on Monday, saying the satellite will likely burn up over Earth's atmosphere on Wednesday morning, plus or minus a margin of about 12 hours. The landing and re-entry location uncertainty will decrease as the spacecraft's end nears. 

ESA said that at about 50 miles above Earth, the large satellite will break up into small pieces. Any risks from the satellite reentry are very low, according to the space agency.



So, good luck, and maybe you'll actually see the event live in-real-time.

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  Edward Teller and the 10,000 Megaton Device
Posted by: theshadowknows - 02-19-2024, 06:07 PM - Forum: Weaponry - Replies (3)

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The Sundial device, with its terrifying 10 gigaton yield, stands as a haunting monument to humanity's darkest ingenuity, showcasing the depths of our capacity for destruction. Its creation marks not a triumph of engineering, but a descent into the abyss of moral ambiguity, where scientific brilliance is perverted into tools of annihilation. This monstrous contraption, conceived in the depths of strategic thinking, casts a long shadow over the collective conscience of mankind, serving as a grim reminder of the ethical quandry in which we find ourselves entangled.
 
The very existence of the Sundial device raises profound questions about the nature of progress and the costs of unchecked ambition. As it looms ominously on the horizon of human history, it challenges our complacency and forces us to confront the stark reality of our technological prowess. In the face of such unfathomable destructive potential, the imperative for responsible stewardship of nuclear capabilities becomes all the more urgent. The specter of the Sundial device serves as a somber warning against the hubris of unchecked power and the folly of prioritizing military might over the well-being of humanity. It beckons us to reevaluate our priorities and recommit ourselves to the pursuit of peace and collective security in a world teetering on the brink of nuclear Armageddon.
 

Quote:The scientist Edward Teller, according to one account, kept a blackboard in his office at Los Alamos during World War II with a list of hypothetical nuclear weapons on it. The last item on his list was the largest one he could imagine. The method of “delivery” — weapon-designer jargon for how you get your bomb from here to there, the target — was listed as “Backyard.” As the scientist who related this anecdote explained, “since that particular design would probably kill everyone on Earth, there was no use carting it anywhere.”

https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/09/...gger-boom/
Credit to Alex Wellerstein and his incredible research.

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  People don't want to admit who it is who is in control of this world.
Posted by: TheCustodian - 02-19-2024, 04:29 PM - Forum: Secret Societies - Replies (7)

Shape-shifters are running the world, and one can see it in certain historical events and anomalies. I argue that individuals who mysteriously vanish or suddenly assume positions of power could be shapeshifters assuming new identities. For example, who ever heard of a certain national leader before that nation was thrown into a war? Yes, him. He’s working with the other one to put on a war that is slowly destroying the world’s military hardware and resources before they take over. There is only one side in the war, and it’s for a purpose. Or what about the richest person in the world being from one of the forest nations and literally trying to blend humanity with technology.

The discrepancies or inconsistencies in historical records are merely attempts by shapeshifters to conceal their true identities or manipulate historical narratives. For example, we have some disagreement regarding the very age of the earth, the age of various nations, the existence of some nations is even in question. I’m not getting into this can of worms right now.

Reports of encounters with beings that can change shape are common. Just do a search for various celebrities and politicians. Consider the word, “Influencer” which has entered the modern lexicon. Who sent them to influence us, and why? We also have symbolism in art, literature, and folklore throughout history in which we see various cultures have depicted shapeshifters in their myths, legends, and art, which some might interpret as evidence of a deeper truth.

They are making heavy use of the internet as well, but of course, it was their idea after all. Most of our technology is. This is why I have shut down all social media, my YouTube, and more. It's time to take life back offline.

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  discovered that there is not just one species of green anaconda
Posted by: putnam6 - 02-19-2024, 03:06 PM - Forum: Cryptozoology - Replies (5)

This thing looks huge underwater...

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3hFd1sNlGU/?img_index=1

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Anew and genetically distinct species of green anaconda has been discovered by scientists.
The green anaconda is the heaviest, and sometimes longest, snake in the world. The boa species is found predominately in South America and can measure up to 20-feet long and weigh up to 550 pounds.
A group of multi-institutional scientists have now discovered that there is not just one species of green anaconda, but two, despite them looking almost identical. Their findings are detailed in a new study in Diversity.

https://www.newsweek.com/new-species-worlds-heaviest-snake-1871138

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  Cass Sunstine -- Conspiracy theories
Posted by: BeTheGoddess - 02-19-2024, 08:39 AM - Forum: Propaganda Mill - Replies (4)

Cass Sunstine is a law academic and consultant to a number of organizations, but what I think is relevant here is his work "Conspiracy Theories", its about how using CT stuff can be weaponized and given the nearly 20 years since it was published, I'm sure a lot have tried to use it as a how-to manual...

The abstract:

Quote:Many millions of people hold conspiracy theories; they believe that powerful people have worked together in order to withhold the truth about some important practice or some terrible event. A recent example is the belief, widespread in some parts of the world, that the attacks of 9/11 were carried out not by Al Qaeda, but by Israel or the United States. Those who subscribe to conspiracy theories may create serious risks, including risks of violence, and the existence of such theories raises significant challenges for policy and law. The first challenge is to understand the mechanisms by which conspiracy theories prosper; the second challenge is to understand how such theories might be undermined. Such theories typically spread as a result of identifiable cognitive blunders, operating in conjunction with informational and reputational influences. A distinctive feature of conspiracy theories is their self-sealing quality. Conspiracy theorists are not likely to be persuaded by an attempt to dispel their theories; they may even characterize that very attempt as further proof of the conspiracy. Because those who hold conspiracy theories typically suffer from a “crippled epistemology,” in accordance with which it is rational to hold such theories, the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups. Various policy dilemmas, such as the question whether it is better for government to rebut conspiracy theories or to ignore them, are explored in this light.

The pdf:

https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delivery.ph...INDEX=TRUE

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  Damnable research fraud - AI is making it even worse
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-18-2024, 10:39 PM - Forum: Science & Technology - Replies (2)

I offer a pair of content sources here... Both expound on the massively growing research fraud cases in the global scientific community.  The first is a seven- or eight-minute video which treats the subject with some clarity.
 
Alarming: Fraud spreads in Science -- and I fear it will become worse
(with my apologies for the embedded advertisement - it's brief enough though)

In the video, hostess Sabine Hossenfelder explains that the enormous explosion in the number of published research papers being retracted after seem to share a few commonalities which don't speak well of the people who are responsible for reviewing scientific research... meaning many may have been bribed into authorizing papers for publication.  Further, the insipid practice of off-loading the burden of review to 'third party' contracted 'editors' made it possible for the fraud to be carried out without any consequences for the perpetrators.

Also, artificial intelligence tools are used to generate repurposed data manipulated to "pass initial muster" which creates career benefits for any scientist willing to pay money to claim the 'credit' they ostensibly receive from having "published."  Sometimes it is potentially detectable because AI is still clumsy at 'rewording' things - and some examples are shared (like rewording breast cancer into "bosom peril" or kidney failure into "renal disappointment, et. al.)

She also explained how, up until recently, the bulk of the fraud seemed to be coming from the eastern hemisphere, and eastern Europe.  Apparently, the publishing firm Wiley's subsidiary named Hindawi is a volume producer of these kinds of fraudulent papers.

Second on my list, is an article from the Royal Chemistry Societies online reporting in Chemistry World, which focuses on China's extraordinary situation...,

China conducts nationwide audit of research misconduct after thousands of papers retracted last year
 


...
China has the highest retraction rate globally, including conference papers, exceeding 20 per 10,000 articles. Hindawi, a subsidiary of Wiley, retracted over 8000 articles involving a Chinese co-author in 2023, a record-breaking year for retractions that resulted in Wiley announcing that it would stop using the Hindawi brand and fold the journals into the rest of its portfolio.\
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The Chinese government is worried that the high number of retractions is damaging its academic reputation. In 2022, China was the world leader in scientific research output and ‘high impact’ studies, accounting for 23.4% of the world’s research output, according to a report published by Japan’s science and technology ministry. However, analysis conducted by Nature revealed that there were almost 17,000 retraction notices on papers with China-affiliated authors since January 2021.
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We need to be concerned.  Scientific integrity has suffered a lot of damage in the past years... and this stuff isn't helping one bit.  Many of these papers are being cited in current research... how exactly, I can't imagine, given that they are practically fiction... but somehow researchers (even the legitimate ones) don't seem to see it until it's too late.

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  Analysis and execution (a multipart tale)
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-18-2024, 02:22 PM - Forum: Short Stories - Replies (4)

"Slobin Threshwater... what the heck kind of name is that?"  He said, looking over the sheet of paper in his hand.  Tim had never done this before and was uncertain how important this detail was.

"It's yours, ... be grateful I didn't choose something like Haxxen Paxxen" she said, frowning at him.  Tabby was new to "introducing" people to role-playing games and hadn't foreseen the eventuality of people being resistant to the framework.

"Why can't I just use my own name?" Tim asked.

"Because your name sucks!"  Joshua interjected to a smattering of chuckles... even Tim chuckled at that.

Tabby proceeded, "Look Tim..., the entire point of this is for you to experience 'being someone else' within the context of a story that is entirely not in your control... it's called "roleplaying", and it can be a lot of fun... with the right story." She became concerned that she couldn't actually pull this off with a newcomer. 

"And the right storyteller," added Joshua.

Joshua then said, "Think of it as acting or pretending."  He quickly added, "Haxxen Paxxen?  What is that? ... Dutch, Swedish maybe?" he then quickly added using an over-the-top pronunciation, "Haxxen Paxxen!" with a strong affectation of an American mimicking a Northern European accent.

Gable, who almost never spoke in the 'set-up' stages of a 'session' said, "I think I've heard 'Haxxen Paxxen' before... but I can't place it... maybe it's mythological?"

"Enough." Tabby said, eager to get to the actual gaming part of the exercise.  "Now Tim, understand that you don't have to call yourself by that name... as in real life you could make something else of it... like how I'm Tabitha, but I encourage people to call me Tabby, or how Gable is actually a nickname for Gabriel." 

Joshua said, "Yeah, we can just call you "Slob."   Tim flashed the "I am not amused" face back at him, while Gable and Jules chortled.

Tabby defused the exchange... "How about we just refer to you as "Bin?" Which she hoped ended the faux contention.

Jules, ever the diplomat, segued into "A rose is a rose by any other name;" ...  "What matters is that you will decide what Bin does during the story."

"Within reason." said Tabby. Simultaneously, Josh and Jules both gestured to towards Tabby, as Josh said, "Meet reason."

Tim tried to hide hesitancy, (or so he thought.)  He had been acquainted with roleplaying in the real world, where many chose to characterize it as a relatively "childish" exercise, enjoined mostly by prepubescent basement dwellers, or insane young adults - an escapist activity much like comic books and binge drinking. Nerd stuff.

He had been quite surprised to learn that most of the people in the analysis group indulged in roleplaying together, sometimes multiple times a week.  He was interested in understanding why. 

The thing that sparked his interest was an exchange he witnessed between Tabitha and Logan.  He could have sworn that Logan was angry with Tabitha.  Tim observed that Logan was brooding over something, and speculated it was a personal friction between him and Tabby.  Tim hadn't heard many words exchanged, only sensed Logan's unease.  But he soon realized that the apparent friction was entirely theoretical... "You were not in character, and when that happens, I will always impose consequences..." Tabby had said.  "How so?" Logan asked.  "How so what? Being out of character, or consequences?" Tabby responded.  The remainder of the conversation was lost to Tim, he did not want to engage in unwelcome eavesdropping.  He later learned that Tabby and Logan would have jumped at the chance to explain the matter to him.

During a brief casual encounter at work, he had spoken of roleplaying with Gabriel, a relatively senior supervisor within the group.  Gabriel had explained that many years ago, several intelligence agencies had "discovered" that roleplaying could be an extremely valuable exercise for the analytically inclined.  That it could be used for military planning, as well as legal analysis... it was a valuable tool, as well as an effective way to enhance teamwork and security functionality.  Gabe said that once he began to explore it, he came to appreciate all the ways it was useful, even including on-the-job relationship development.  And he discovered that he enjoyed it personally.  Gabriel said, "I learned that the multiplication of minds leads to greater outcomes... with the added benefit of great fun... better than movies or TV, and often even better than books."  He, alone among his peers, embraced the exercise.

So here is Tim, learning to 'roleplay' and realizing that it was not, by any means a simple escape, nor a trivial undertaking.  He learned that a significant investment of research was required.  He soon understood that there was a subtle art at play here.

How this encounter arose, was a surprising development to Tim.  While the group was pondering the particulars of an analysis problem, so many instances of the group members referring to a fictional encounter to flesh out the discussion occurred that Tim found himself nearly jealous that he was 'missing' something that was informing the session.  But the result of the discussion was a novel approach to the analysis... and one which proved to be not only effective, but impressive to the leadership.  Apparently, this group had achieved this success before, so well, and so many times, that they had established a reputation for unravelling mysteries that others seemed incapable of doing.  Tim decided he wanted in.

[stay tuned for part 2]

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  Hi. I made it here at last.
Posted by: Nerb - 02-18-2024, 01:02 PM - Forum: Introductions - Replies (8)

Hi folks, just a quick intro to say hello and it's nice to be here.

Not sure what to expect or what I may be able to bring to the party but we'll see.

btw..thanks to those who started this place. Thumbup

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  The Tucker Carlson - Putin Interview
Posted by: theshadowknows - 02-18-2024, 04:09 AM - Forum: War In Ukraine - Replies (1)

I'm not Tuckers biggest fan, but it seemed like he was really going for it. Putin on the other hand danced around the whole time. Nothing but bullshit answers.

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  Let's do it again... Another pandemic anyone?
Posted by: Maxmars - 02-17-2024, 07:38 PM - Forum: General Conspiracies - Replies (6)

With no apologies, I offer this thread here in the "Conspiracies" Forum... even though it is currently a "recent event" and frankly a "pandemic" topic.

From recent FOX News reporting:
WHO chief's dire warning: Disease X outbreak 'a matter of when, not if'
[excerpted]...


World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Ghebreyesus has issued a new warning about the likelihood of Disease X breaking out, telling global world leaders it is "a matter of when, not if" a new pathogen and pandemic will strike.
 
Tedros, who goes by his first name, told attendees at the World Government Summit in Dubai earlier his week he gave a similar warning in 2018 that a pandemic was likely to hit, and he was proven right with the outbreak of the deadly coronavirus.
 
Complaining that the world is still ill-prepared for a new pandemic, Tedros once again touted the urgent need for a global treaty to be agreed upon by May and dismissed suspicions of it being a WHO power grab as outlandish...

[Bolding is my highlight]

Given our recent history with globalist-driven healthcare "plans" ... and recognizing the immense wealth transfer the "plan" engendered, I think it's fair to look upon this 'declaration' with extreme trepidation and foreboding.  Clearly the last bit about having "called it" last time shows more or less interesting "narrative shifting."  Gone is the "Who knew?" cue card for media abuse... now comes the "remember when?" card.  It couldn't be less convincing.

As for the statement fragment - "a matter of when, not if" a new pathogen and pandemic will strike." is equally alarming... considering that that state of affairs has been true since the dawn of social man.  It is ALWAYS a matter of "when not if" for a lot of things... and people warn about those all the time too.  The WHO representative is not by any stretch of the imagination the first to say "this is coming" ... and reputedly, some pharmaceutical "prognostications" were squarely on the mark about the pandemic - almost as if they were "in on something" which begs inquiry.

As for this tidbit:

"Let me be clear: WHO did not impose anything on anyone during the COVID-19 pandemic. Not lockdowns, not mask mandates, not vaccine mandates.
"We don’t have the power to do that, we don’t want it and we’re not trying to get it."


Clearly, he never saw or knew of the immeasurable amount of "according to the WHO" and "WHO guidance informs our policies" we were subjected to, while being misdirect, socially manipulated, and subjected to the "hard sell."  The hell they didn't "impose" anything?  Multiple masks, anyone, "vaccine or unemployment" anyone, "If you're unvaccinated you are a dirty bad person who wishes harm upon the world...," sound familiar?

So if this is a conspiracy in action, as I would like explored, might we now openly recognize that it's high time to pay the piper?

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  The Truth Will Set You{r Soul) Free
Posted by: TheRedneck - 02-17-2024, 10:46 AM - Forum: Diseases & Pandemics - Replies (3)

This was posted by me a little while back over at Rogue Nation. With permission, I am posting it here as well to maximize exposure. I know the conclusions will likely not sit well with everyone, but I think it is information that needs to be exposed.

Original post: https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1747

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I know I've been sort of AWOL from this board (or any boards for that matter) for a while. To be honest, I've just been so disgusted with humanity in general that it felt useless to say anything. But, this damn brain of mine simply cannot stop running (birth defect) and a week or so ago I managed to out together some clues to what is going on behind the scenes.

I speak of the planned-demic that affected the world in 2020 and 2021.

The whole thing never made sense to me. A virus from Wuhan China got loose and caused a major panic in that area. China shut down all domestic flights into and out of Wuhan... but not International flights! Entire families were being devastated while Chinese authorities took drastic, draconian actions against them to deny medical treatment.

Then, of course the virus, which turned out to be extremely contagious, got loose across the globe. World leaders scrambled to get it back under control. The media was reporting it like we were experiencing the Black Plague v2.0. Yet, the actual fatality rates were fairly low... a little higher than the common flu, but certainly nothing to compare with the Bubonic plague or Ebola... or even the Spanish flu. In response to this "unprecedented" emergency, schools were shut down... churches were forbidden to operate... small businesses were forced  to close... people were denied health care... families were forced apart, unable to even attend a funeral for their deceased loved ones... we in the USA literally ripped the very fabric of society asunder.

The methodology to contain and treat this disaster was more of a disaster than the disaster. Andrew Cuomo, in the midst of a general panic over a highly contagious and supposedly incurable and fatal outbreak, forced nursing homes to take in known contagious cases by law! The vast bulk of the early deaths attributable were from nursing home outbreaks, many instigated directly by the same governments that were crying to help. Cuomo even, after requesting a naval medical ship and getting it, abused the resource. The naval ship was never intended to treat Chinese virus cases; it was to treat other cases so the NY medical system could focus on the virus. But Cuomo intentionally sent known virus cases to the naval ship, despite full knowledge that the ship couldn't offer containment.

That's homicide... no argument can be made to hold water against that statement. Andrew Cuomo is the most prolific mass murderer in US history.

Several things were tried with approval by the various governments in the USA. There was social distancing... which led to building occupancy rates being sharply curtailed to the point that employees were required to maintain a running count of customers in the stores, a daunting task that used so much manpower that smaller stores had to simply close up shop. That concentrated all public shopping into the larger retailers, further fueling congestion at the stores. Now we had long lines waiting to enter a store, sometimes for hours, outside and unprotected from the elements in close proximity to each other, just so they could "social distance" for a few minutes once it was their turn to enter. We tried face masks, my personal pet peeve, which aggravated asthma cases and COPD cases, weakening the immunity of people affected. It also served as a mobile petri dish... people would remove these masks, full of exhaled pathogens, across parking lots, littering the ground with something that, were common sense be used, should have been treated as hazardous medical waste. The result was further exposure to the general public. We tried mandatory quarantine for those who tested positive... not in a controlled facility, but at their home. This meant that anyone required to get a test would spend all their time up to the testing date in town buying supplies to last two weeks... busily contaminating as many people as possible. It also meant that people were loath to even take the test, since the penalty for failing it was so high, leading to who knows how many un-diagnosed cases escaping notice.

At the same time, doctors across the globe were experimenting with different medications to try and somehow save their patients. Hydroxychloroquine was an early medicine that showed promise as part of a cocktail which also included high levels of zinc and vitamin C. Field reports were that it showed success if the disease was caught early. But the CDC then tested it, using hydroxychloroquine alone without the rest of the cocktail, on patients in advanced cases, and summarily determined that it was not just ineffective, but actually dangerous! This despite hydroxychloroquine having a record of safe usage among most patients for 40 years. Eventually it was actually outlawed to treat the virus!

Remdesivir was another drug which showed early promise... but it was similarly attacked. Monoclonal antibodies were developed that indeed did help control the virus, but then their availability was curtailed in states which were using them. Why? Something to do with racism if I remember right. We all know that's just a dog whistle general excuse.

Instead, we got a vaccine... unproven technology (although it is now proven to work), rushed through trials, the ingredients hidden behind excuses of too much information to divulge, with blanket legal immunity to the companies that made it, and immediately purchased en masse by the US government. Those purchases were used to provide free vaccinations to as many people as possible. Initial offerings were limited to certain groups, but ask any marketing expert: that is a sure way to create interest among others. As stockpiles filled up, it was released for the general public... then attempts were made to force it onto the general public. Social media was crawling with pleas to please, please, get the vaccine, if not for yourself, then think of Grandma! But that flew in the face of reality... if a vaccine protects the vaccinated, then the only people at risk from the unvaccinated are the unvaccinated!

Many companies required vaccination as a condition of employment. Others offered to drop the face mask requirements for the vaccinated. The military made it a mandate, government programs started talking about mandating it for the retired and disabled, and Biden actually attempted to make it a mandate for the general public.

Notice that while all this is going on, we're still no closer to a treatment... just a vaccine.

Then reports start coming in of people having adverse reactions to the vaccine. They're minimized in the media. They're ridiculed in social media. People fully vaccinated begin to contract the virus in large numbers, in direct opposition to the promises made. The CDC responds by literally changing their definition of a vaccine. Then cases come to light of the vaccinated being hospitalized with the virus, and even dying from the virus. And still, the media downplays the reports and social media laughs at them.

Turns out, the spike protein used to develop immunity is the main problem with the virus! But it only becomes a major problem in the bloodstream, not the lungs. The virus affects the lungs primarily, only entering the bloodstream when the lungs are bleeding, often helped by ventilators. The vaccinations go directly into the bloodstream.

I watched all this unfold before my eyes, trying desperately to understand: WHY? what could the end goal be? Depopulation? Obviously not, because it wasn't working nearly as effective as other methods. A rights grab? I thought that might be feasible for a while, but things have somewhat returned to normal on that front and that's a lot of work to go through when we have been slowly losing our rights anyway. It didn't affect the 2nd Amendment. Maybe to remove a sitting President? OK, but why was it global?

Then i figured it out.

I have long said that when the actions of politicians make no sense in achieving their goal, they are lying about their goal. Politicians are not stupid... they are able to convince over 50% of the voters to vote for them while actively stealing from them. They are good at acting stupid. So if one can figure out what goal is best served by the totality of the actions taken, one has determined the actual goal.

It's not depopulation per se... it's population control.

For many years we have seen the effects of planned obsolescence. Products are literally designed to break as soon as the warranty is out, so more products can be sold. I believe tat is the purpose of both the virus and the vaccine. We know that politicians have been warning us about the insolvency of Social Security, but what they aren't keen on saying is the Social Security is not now, nor has it ever been, insolvent. Nor is it expected to e insolvent in the foreseeable future. It is broke only because the trust fund is full of IOUs from the US Congress, IOUs that were never intended to be repaid. As the amount of liquidity on the Social Security trust fund declines, so does the ability to continue raiding it and, heaven forbid, continue not repaying all that money "borrowed" over the years.

We just saw a major increase in retirement age, along with increases in amount paid into Social Security. Too many of those too soon, and people will become unruly and ask embarrassing questions. So a different approach is needed: kill off the older people, aka the "useless eaters," and simultaneously lower the expected life span of everyone else. The virus/vaccine does that exactly: the elderly generally have weakened immunity to any virus, and the fact that the vaccine can cause heart issues is now a scientific given. The virus was released to cause a panic while eliminating a portion of the elderly, which was then used to drum up public acceptance for the vaccine, which in turn reduces the lifespan of most of the vaccinated. That's why it was quickly distributed to retirement communities; that's why it was aided in spreading by all the "precautions"; that's why the vaccine was pushed so hard.

It also explains the global phenomenon... most countries have some sort of public retirement system, and most of them are experiencing similar problems to those in the USA. All would love to get their hands on that retirement money.

The sad part is, what's now done is now done. Once that vaccine does damage, there's no known way to correct it. The only silver lining I can see is that it doesn't seem to work its voodoo equally... some will die early (already have), some will simply see a shorter lifespan, and some will likely escape without any major consequences. No one know what category they will fall into on that. It's all in the roll of the dice now.

And I'm crawling back into my comfy little hole under the nice rock. Do with this revelation as you will.

TheRedneck

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  Oak Ridge, the Secret City
Posted by: BeTheGoddess - 02-17-2024, 08:25 AM - Forum: Area 51 & Other Facilities - Replies (5)

Welcome to Oak Ridge, I will be your tour guide for today...

Quote:n 1942,[sup][12][/sup] the United States federal government forcibly purchased nearly 60,000 acres (240 km[sup]2[/sup]) of farmland in the Clinch River Valley for the development of a planned city supporting 75,000 residents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Ridge,_Tennessee

The secret city was to work on not just atomic energy science, but also to develop computer systems capable of runnin atomic testing in virtual environments. You've heard of the computer company ORACLE?
Quote:The ORACLE or Oak Ridge Automatic Computer and Logical Engine,[sup][1][/sup] an early computer built by Oak Ridge National Laboratory, was based on the IAS architecture developed by John von Neumann.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORACLE_(computer)
Quote:The name also drew from the 1977 CIA project codename, which was also Oracle's first customer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Corporation

One of the projects they were developing, to my knowledge was a project called "google", but I'm finding it hard to get a decent source on that.

Anyway, Oak Ridge is one of those places some try pretend doesnt exist.

If you're from the area or been there let us know.

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