US-Iran War Mudpit Thread

[Astyanax]

This is a place where anti-American, anti-Trumpers cry about Trump and America.

Then what are you doing here?

Putting up a staunch patriotic defence on their behalf?

As far as I know, the only substantive thing you’ve ever said in Trump’s defence is that his cratering of the US economy hasn’t affected your lifestyle. Which is probably quite true, but utterly irrelevant to anyone else but you.

As for any substantive defence of America, crickets.

All you do is yap aggressively yet impotently, like an angry chihuahua.

[chr0naut]

Like I care what you think of me Cryernaut. 

This is a place where anti-American, anti-Trumpers cry about Trump and America.

There is no hope of normal debate with you guys.

Just to clarify, you aren't Donald Trump and your opinions are not those of every single American. In much the same way that I and others on this forum of debate against you are not all communists and all anti-American and all anti-Trumpers.

As I explained, debate requires both argument and counter argument. When a person cannot successfully counter a point of debate, and they respond off topic, they have automatically lost that point of debate.

Yes, I dislike Trump. I'm allowed to express that opinion according to the freedom of speech legislation of my country, as are others are who are US citizens. The truth is that people from nearly ALL countries other than the USA have the same human rights (and more), that people from the USA have.

Yes, I believe that the North American legal and political systems have become corrupt.

Yes, I dislike Americans who assume that they are better, more privileged, cleverer, and more justified, due merely to an accident of their birth.

Yes, I dislike people who have not personally earned the vast wealth they control, especially if the are uncharitable and either would, or have, hurt others for their own personal gain.

Tell me - how can any human being actually do enough work to earn multi-billion dollars?

The leadership of the USA (on both sides) has a concentration of people who are wealthy beyond any legitimate means. That's the primary indicator of corruption.

[Astyanax]

I've observed that many people in this thread are providing thoughtful responses to one another, creating an atmosphere of intelligent dialogue. However, there are two individuals who join in with nothing but moronic comments, dragging down the overall IQ of the discussion.

Leftovers from the dark days of Above Top Secret, when the site owners thought the way to generate traffic and revenue was by pandering to what a famous commentator once derided as the paranoid style in American politics. It didn’t work, but some of the grotesques who flooded the site in the wake of that decision later migrated here. Most of them have given up posting on this thread, recognising that to defend Operation Epic Failure is a mug’s game. But these two haven’t realised that yet, and are fighting what I think they believe is a brave last-ditch battle against the so-called ECL, saving America with their heroic insults and repetitive meme-posting.

[Astyanax]

I've been a racist, a Russian shill, a Nazi, an Islamophobe, transphobe, anti-gay, redneck hillbilly.

‘Been’?

[Knows]

He doesn’t need to. Did you read the article Chr0naut posted?

Adderall, cocaine, benzodiazepines, Ambien, Provigil... all the feel-good hits of the summer.
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOzBkMn-tPs]

All the made up nonsense. None of which has been proven, to be used by Trump. Just retards trying to slime Trump down to their level. But thanks to people like me. The brainwashed masses are getting  clued in to the lefts simple minded tactics.

[chr0naut]

Cry harder

You Liberal clowns have already ruined DI

And before you respond with "I am not a Liberal", you are.....you support every Liberal policy there is.

- I don't support communism.
- I don't support a single large central government. I prefer a distribution of allied local governments.
- I don't support defunding of law enforcement.
- I don't support DEI initiatives that would put unqualified and incapable people into roles they are not fit for.
- I am against the abortions done for convenience, and those who would profit from such.
- I believe that at the moment, capitalism best suits a stable economy, compared to any other system.
- I believe that administrative change must be incremental improvement upon the current foundation. 'New broom' and revolutionary changes are historically usually failures that no one has realized yet.

But there are a lot of liberal ideas that I think are workable.

[chr0naut]

But Trump doesn't even drink. 

So all of you TDS sufferers are deluding yourselves.  Just making things up hoping something will happen to stop Trump.  It won't. You need to get your heads screwed back on straight. That's the 1st step.

North Koreans are told that their great leader is so elevated that he doesn't even defecate.

I don't believe that.

As to Trump not ever drinking:

Exhibit A: https://trumpvodka.com/

Exhibit B: Firsthand recollections from bartenders and people who encountered Trump in clubs and on social outings who say he drank.

Exhibit C: Because of the frequency and volume of his lies, if Trump says he didn't drink, then...

And really, all those parties with his best mate Jeffery Epstein, and living from his youth in clubland, and casinos, and he says was stone cold sober all the time? He is a monster.

I don't believe that Trump is teetotal. It's just manufactured BS for public relations purposes.

[Orby]

The problem being your "world's policeman" routine is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

The US isn't some cosmic sheriff with a badge and a perfect record, Orby.

It's a country with interests, allies, and a very long list of problems just like many another nation around the globe.

Iran has done plenty of harmful things, but pretending every conflict is simply "good cop vs bad guy" is childish.

Nations don't invade or sanction each other because morality suddenly appeared.

They do it because of power and resources.

Don't try to make it about morality, Orby.

The reason they are there is plain and simply...

And it's not for the Iranian people.

Well after seeing what a marvellous job the USA did in reshaping 1945 Nazi \ fascists Europe to the place it became by the 1980s Them I'll give the Yanks a chance to do the same with the ME.

[Orby]

I'm not allowing myself to be a victim.

I have been there, a foundational worker in a political party that subsequently achieved coalition government of a country for two terms. It's do-able.

Best of luck taking on TPTB. You'll need it 

[Orby]

We really don't know the extent of lost American lives there because your state media isn't transparent nor your government leaders. Talk of boots on the ground next? It will be a slaughter? That is not caring that is desperation from a government who were failing before attacking this sovereign country to give the American people what they wanted and what they voted for..."NO MORE WARS" "AFFORDABILITY" "MAKE AMERICAN GREAT AGAIN". Your government are bought and paid for and are now taking away more and more social programs from the people is that because they care so much?

The lies are coming from your government and state media, get wise.

"Independent outlets and investigative reporting raise questions about broader tallies and reporting practices, producing conflicting figures and claims of withheld or altered counts "

"News organizations reporting the 13 figure limit their scope to U.S. service members confirmed killed in combat or in operational incidents connected to the war; they typically exclude U.S. contractors and foreign allies unless specified [sup][1][/sup][sup][2][/sup]. By contrast, investigative pieces and trackers that compile wider casualty rolls include contractors, civilian Defense Department personnel, and possibly wounded later dying of injuries — categories that expand the human toll but are treated differently across sources [sup][4][/sup][sup][5][/sup]. Publicly available Pentagon and CENTCOM releases have at times separated these categories, contributing to confusion about a single “American” death toll."

https://factually.co/fact-checks/militar...war-41e820

Your nit picking over tiny numbers. We are watching the Iranian military and nuclear threat being dismantled and a redrawing of the ME. Trump is going to go down in the annals of history as one of the greatest US Presidents ever. Combined with his Abrahamic Accord we are seeing a new dawn in a region that  just might bring peace and prosperity. Give Trump a chance. 

I'm not American btw. I'm British.  I just believe President Trump is a breath of fresh air, the best thing since sliced bread. I love him and wish we could have him here.