UFO MIB Gov Thread.

[Karl12]

There used to be a great MIB thread on this site but can't seem to find it anywhere.

Anyway always been interested with claims of UFO witnesses being 'silenced' or evidence going 'missing' and there are some revealing comments made in this dossier from John Keel concerning 'organized harassment of UFO witnesses and researchers'.

There are also some truly intriguing statements made below about the subject by Lt. General Hewitt T. Wheless in a 1967 memo to 'a number of Defense Agencies' and comments made to Keel by the Pentagon's Colonel George P. Freeman.



• The Postion of the U.S. Government on MIB

"Of all the interesting aspects of MIB, perhaps most intriguing is the fact that the existence of MIB has been all but officially recognized by the United States government. On March 1, 1967, Lt. General Hewitt T. Wheless, the assistant Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force sent the following memorandum to a number of defense agencies, including Strategic Air Command (SAC)":



• 'Information, not verifiable, has reached Hq USAF that persons claiming to represent the Air Force or other Defense establishments, have contacted citizens who have sighted unidentified flying objects. In one reported case, an individual in civilian clothes, who represented himswelf as a member of NORAD, demanded and recieved photos belonging to a private citizen. In another, a person in an Air Force uniform approached local police and other citizens who had sighted a UFO, assembled them in a school room and told them that they did not see what they thought they saw and that they should not talk to anyone about the sighting. All military and civilian personnel and particularly Information Officers and UFO Investigating Officers who hear of such repots should immediately notify their local OSI offices."

MIB Phenomenon Accepted:


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"The concrete nature of the phenomenon was accepted by the United States Air Force, who were concerned that persons passing themselves off as USAF personnel should be visiting UFO witnesses. In February 1967, Colonel George P. Freeman, Penatagon spokesman for the USAF's Project Bluebook, told UFO investigator John Keel in the course of an interview:


"Mysterious men dressed in Air Force uniforms or bearing impressive credentials from government agencies, have been silencing UFO witnesses. We have checked a number of these cases, and these men are not connected to the Air Force in any way, we haven't been able to find out anything about these men. By posing as Air Force officers and government agents, they are committing a Federal offence. We would sure like to catch one, unfortunately the trail is always too cold by the time we hear about these cases, But we are still trying."

[Karl12]

Personally don't have much of a clue as to what's going on but there certainly are some extremely freaky (and global) reports out there and John Keel lectures on the subject below - would also say his book 'Operation Trojan Horse' (PDF) is well worth a read.

The Men In Black or MIB are mysterious strangers that reportedly attempt to threaten witnesses and reporters of strange occurrences, such as the Mothman, into silence. They are sometimes thought of as "damage control", as if it is their job to contain and stifle information from getting out to the public.

For folks interested then other researchers with related content include Jenny Randles, Nick Redfern, Leonard Stringfield, Brad Stieger, Timothy Green Beckley etc.

This catalogue compiled by Gareth J. Medway is also a truly freaky one and contains some rather disturbing accounts:



• Men in Black Encounters - Short Catalogue

[Tecate]

Always an interesting subject Karl.
Some have been described as “not quite human”, odd and disconnected types that are dressed very old fashioned and arrive in old 50-60’s type sedans.

I remember reading every thing that I could find about them back in the day, but I actually hadn’t heard anything recently about the phenomenon.

Thanks for the reminder!

Tecate

[quintessentone]

Expanding upon your MIB silencing and/or harassing those that were too close for comfort. Doesn't it make sense that they have changed their tactics whereby they have 'under oath' lying witnesses spewing out what they are told to spew out to deflect and/or add confusion/doubt from those witnesses and researchers who got it right? Isn't it odd Congress hasn't asked Dr. James Lacatski to testify or have folks in Congress also been sent on a wild UFO chase?

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"He Ran The Pentagon’s Secret UFO Program - And Says We’ve Been Played : Dr. James Lacatski (PART 1)"

"For the first time since his explosive revelations two years ago, Lacatski unleashes revelations that shatter the official narrative: deliberate disinformation campaigns by AARO, the shocking truth behind Kona Blue's "cancellation" (spoiler: it's alive in ways you won't believe), and his authorized bombshell on a recovered UFO craft where U.S. teams breached the hull to uncover propulsion mysteries that defy earthly physics."

"This is the inside story from the man who managed the Pentagon’s most secretive UFO investigation - and whose statements have become some of the most consequential admissions in UFO history. This is controlled UFO chaos."




Part II: Dr. James Lacatski, a veteran intelligence analyst for the Defense Intelligence Agency, has just released a new book which documents astonishing encounters with highly advanced UFOs, strange creatures, so-called hitchhikers, and counterintelligence operatives determined to thwart or discredit classified investigations into unexplained phenomena.




So MIB harassment and silencing has now been replaced with filling everyone's heads with anything and everything to detract from the truth. Even Dr. Lacatski refused to answer whether or not there was NHI associated with the recovered craft, he does say it is very, very advanced with worldwide repercussions.

Don't expect disclosure, at least, the kind of disclosure that I want, which is what Knapp said in his early reporting days, that being:

"The residents of UFO world are a tough crowd. They expect nothing less than for House staffers to wheel in a slab with a charred alien body on it or arrange a media tour where we travel to Wright Patterson and kick open the doors to the Blue Room to see the crashed saucers. 

(AND HERE I AM AGAIN) 

I understand that impatience and was the same way. During my first deep dive into the subject, I remember realizing this topic is a mess. And I concluded that what it needed was a good reporter. I can have this sorted out in about six months. Youthful cockiness and naivete is not a good combination. "

[Raptured]

So the fact that the gov in ways acknowledged MIB back in the late 60's but hasn't said jack since tells you all you need to know...
back then, the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing
since then, silence (confirmation)

Always love this topic.  Thanks Karl

[IgnorantGod]

So the fact that the gov in ways acknowledged MIB back in the late 60's but hasn't said jack since tells you all you need to know...
back then, the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing
since then, silence (confirmation)

Always love this topic.  Thanks Karl

There could be two layers of the MIB's phenomena. For example, if the first set of cases were actually intelligence agents stalking targeted sensible person to try to trigger the phenomena? And then those person of interest, or others with similar sensibilities would 'catch on' the meme and start having MIB's strangenesses.

A bit like a psychological infection of ideas and/or patterns, forms, etc.

[Karl12]

Some have been described as “not quite human”, odd and disconnected types that are dressed very old fashioned and arrive in old 50-60’s type sedans.

Good to see you mate and yes some extremely 'odd' accounts out there from seemingly credible people - have just re-read through that linked Medway catalogue this morning and holy shit lol.

Am sure a lot of spook agency intimidation gets lumped in with the whole thing but thought Randles made a good point here about the more bizarre aspects.

• “Unfortunately, we cannot dictate what evidence we must investigate,” said Randles. “These Men in Black are real, and the people who report them deserve our attention. We should strive to find out whether these threatening strangers are just a part of some secret department investigating UFOs or are visiting this world from somewhere beyond our ken.”

Jenny Randles - The Truth Behind The Men In Black (E-Book)

Have literally lost count of how many times the interview below has been deleted from the internet but would say the whole thing's well worth a watch (if you haven't seen it already).

It deals with former Police Officer John Hanson's research citing lesser known historical British UFO reports and witness Nigel Frapple's experience after he encountered a UFO back in 1954 (he got told "You will be taken to a place and you won't be coming home again").

There's also a truly remarkable UFO sighting described towards the end where a retired Police Officer witnessed a saucer shaped object sucking up water and then started receiving threatening phone calls.

[Karl12]

So the fact that the gov in ways acknowledged MIB back in the late 60's but hasn't said jack since tells you all you need to know...
back then, the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing
since then, silence (confirmation)

Always love this topic.  Thanks Karl

Yep got to love this subject mate and did come across this rather cheesy 'Sightings' episode from back in the day.

Larry Fenwick and Pat Franier describe their separate experiences and apparently "people that look for UFOs sometimes find problems".









Whatever agency is behind all these shenanigans they also pop up in cryptid research and have heard varied opinions citing the NSA, NRO, DIA, CIA, DOE, DOI and Secret Service right through to Britain's DSTI, DI55 and P&SS.

As for the more freaky aspects have also read specific cases where witnesses say they were reminded of robots or insects - also things like not knowing what to do with spoons or pens or holding a box which they never open - very bizarre stuff.

A "typical" MIB encounter goes something like this: Soon (usually immediately) after witnessing some type of UFO phenomenon, the percipient is visited by one or more strange men. These men often flash badges, give names, and claim to be from one government agency or another. (Upon subsequent investigation, the names givien are invariably absent from the mentioned agency's records and often the agency itself is found not to exist.) The "agents" usually display not only an uncanny knowledge of exactly what the witness has seen, but intimate personal knowledge of the witness as well. They collect all physical evidence of the encounter that the witness may have, such as photographs or residue from a landing site. Even in instances where they do not threaten the witness outright not to speak of his or her experience, the MIB usually manage to make it clear that doing so would not be a good idea. Other times, however, the MIB claim to be insurance salesmen, portrait photographers, or something equally unconnected with the subject of UFOs and never mention the UFO event in question, yet somehow leave the impression that they are associated with it none the less.

MIB tend to run the gamut as far as physical appearance is concerned, however, some generalizations in this are can be made. While some MIB are decidedly more human-looking than others, they have been fairly consistently described as being olive-complected and having thin lips, high cheekbones, and slanted (sometimes glowing)eyes. Their height can range from very short to very tall. They often sport garish makeup and bad wigs in a failed attempt to look more "normal." It is usually difficult to estimate their age. Often they move in a "mechanical" fashion and their voice has a machine-like quality. They frequently appear to have respritory difficulties and seem to be drained of energy over short periods of time. They are usually dressed, of course, in black; most often in out of date suits that appear to be brand new and cut from some strange type of fabric.

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[Waterglass]

There used to be a great MIB thread on this site but can't seem to find it anywhere.

Anyway always been interested with claims of UFO witnesses being 'silenced' or evidence going 'missing' and there are some revealing comments made in this dossier from John Keel concerning 'organized harassment of UFO witnesses and researchers'.

There are also some truly intriguing statements made below about the subject by Lt. General Hewitt T. Wheless in a 1967 memo to 'a number of Defense Agencies' and comments made to Keel by the Pentagon's Colonel George P. Freeman.



• The Postion of the U.S. Government on MIB







MIB Phenomenon Accepted:


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Thanks for keeping the UFO stuff ongoing.

As a UFO witness and  Paranormal Experiencer [Sleep Paralysis] with video and pictures of UFO's over the Savannah River Nuclear Reservation and along the South Carolina and Georgia border I and others cant seem to get any traction from those UFO  "experts" to follow up. Many others are now simply pissed off at MUFON and many others. Its a fooking clown show. ON PURPOSE. So why doesnt George Knapp or Jeremy Corbell come here with their professional cameras to film what we see. So why doesnt anyone use Stacking Software which is what Astronomers use to clarify those grainy fuzzy UFO videos and pictures. That software costs $20,000. Thats what FBI uses on License plates. So why doesnt Representative Nancy Mace, Chair of that UFO Committee want my videos of the UFO's over Savannah River? I only wrote her office over five times, electronically. NO response. Luis Elizondo testified under oath they are over Savannah River.  My guess is he learned that from the geostationary (GEO) satellite thats positioned over Savannah River. Its only visible with Night Vision Cameras or Binoculars. 

So why.............................?

NEW source of hope my be Dr. Reinerio Hernandez PhD, Rice University, Houston, Texas USA. Look up several of his web sites. They block guys like him by simply ignoraning. So are Knapp, Corbell, Mace , Ellizondo, Dr. Garry Nolan, Dr. Diane Pasulka simply paid sycophants of UNCLE. I will also toss John Greenewald Jr. in that mix also based on my personal experience since 2018 with him .

[Karl12]

So MIB harassment and silencing has now been replaced with filling everyone's heads with anything and everything to detract from the truth.

Thanks for the post mate and fair point there - have to say am not taking the new CIA disclosure threat narrative Op very seriously and don't think anyone should - did you catch claims made by Listz in this vid? It just consolidates all the other counter intel BS from NOC bad actors, TTSA, Elizondo etc.

Also good point about AARO as turns out Kirkpatrick was CIA trained and blatantly bullshitting everyone about PBSR14.

Flip to the British Op over the years and turns out Nick Pope's AIRSEC2A group was also BS and right at the very bottom of the hierarchical set up - basically just 'public relations' (like all journalism these days).

Don't know if you know researcher Matthew Williams but it's described here how he exposed actual 'DI55' UFO investigations through authenticated government documentation and how MPs were blatantly lied to in the Houses of Parliament.