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(06-26-2025, 01:27 PM)andy06shake Wrote: They are just going to repair them and covertly go to the task of building a working nuclear bomb.
They won't repair them. They are total'd.
They'll go pick some other site and build and work on their nukes.
And Israeli intelligence and American surveillance will pick it up.
And then we'll bomb them again, with a Republican president not a Democrat one.
And the entire middle east and free world will be glad.
That'll be a few years from now.
And then Iran will have a temper tantrum and start all over again ...
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(06-26-2025, 01:31 PM)andy06shake Wrote: So you believe the UN when they say what you wish to hear?
I mean ffs make up your mind.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/24/us/po...sites.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zac
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/25...intel-says
Pot meet kettle
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(06-26-2025, 01:27 PM)andy06shake Wrote:
But he's not defeated or destroyed anyone or anything utterly so...................................
Iran is still there, and hell of a pissed off.
And so are those facilities, damaged as they are.
They are just going to repair them and covertly go to the task of building a working nuclear bomb.
What proof do you have that has been verified by independent and unbiased sources?
“The American press is a shame and a reproach to a civilized people. When a man is too lazy to work and too cowardly to steal, he becomes an editor and manufactures public opinion.”
― William T. Sherman
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(06-26-2025, 01:29 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: He says 'obliterated'.
The intel from four sources says 'seriously damaged' and 'destroyed'.
Same/same.
He's a liar. He's a bloviator.
But what he said is basically correct according to the intel from USA, Israel, UN, and Iran.
Obliterated vs destroyed. It's nitpicking.
Well, at least we agree he's a liar.
But this is the part where you justify his bullc@ap by telling us all politicians do that.
I gave you the definitions which clearly explain the difference so...............
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(06-26-2025, 01:26 PM)andy06shake Wrote: Not so much nitpicking as a known liar telling more porkies.
The sites are down for about 6 months at the latest estimates.
Tell us about obliterated again?
And just think how many resources Iran is going to be willing to commit now, given half a chance?
Trump's going to be cutting Iranian grass every few months.
You obviously missed the latest from Hegseth. The sites were not simply obliterated.
You have to understand, this was "a historically successful attack".
That's got to be some next level obliteration.
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(06-26-2025, 01:31 PM)andy06shake Wrote: So you believe the UN when they say what you wish to hear?
I mean ffs make up your mind.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/24/us/po...sites.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zac
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/25...intel-says
I'm saying that you said that people said it would be back up in a few months.
I'm saying that the people supplying the intel say it'll be years.
There is a difference of opinion.
(BTW your sources are left wing/anti-Trump. Biased. Just as the UN/American/Israeli sources may be biased)
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(06-26-2025, 01:33 PM)SomeStupidName Wrote: What proof do you have that has been verified by independent and unbiased sources?
And how would classified reports like that be verified by independent and unbiased sources?
I have about as much proof as Trump did at the time.
Then again I'm not the one claiming complete obliteration before the reports were even produced.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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Two stories
https://www.ft.com/content/0808eeb8-341c...b07febef91
Quote:Preliminary intelligence assessments provided to European governments indicate that Iran’s highly enriched uranium stockpile remains largely intact following US strikes on its main nuclear sites, two officials have said. The people said the intelligence suggested that Iran’s stockpile of 408kg of uranium enriched close to weapons-grade levels was not concentrated in Fordow, one of its two main enrichment sites, at the time of last weekend’s attack.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/25/trump-ir...-nato.html
Quote: CIA Director John Ratcliffe said Wednesday that Iran’s nuclear program “has been severely damaged” by recent strikes on its key enrichment facilities, and pushed back on reporting about an initial U.S. intelligence report that suggests otherwise.
I miss John Brennan.
The CIA is not supposed to be a propaganda wing, and The USA is not supposed to do this exaggerating North Korea shit.
Does hurt our national pride if Iran cleared the mountain first before it was caved in by bunker busters?
Instead, they are calling the leaked initial report false. Gabbard and Ratcliffe more concerned with backing up Trump's declaration and calling all that contradicts it propaganda.
But... if they cleared out all the Uranium, it stands to reason they are set back only as long as it takes to build a new underground bunker.
I'm glad we obliterated the bunker they enriched uranium in, but if there was nothing of value left, let's be freaking honest and not placate Trumps refusal to NEVER put his foot in his presumptive mouth, or take the fucking phone out of his hand and think before posting.
Hey, maybe we need an official state media (possibly Fox News) to declare how gloriously our mighty attack went down and how our noble and fearless leader spectacularly commanded our adversaries destruction even when we fail.
That's what North Korea would do.
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(06-26-2025, 01:35 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: I'm saying that you said that people said it would be back up in a few months.
I'm saying that the people supplying the intel say it'll be years.
There is a difference of opinion.
(BTW your sources are left wing/anti-Trump. Biased. Just as the UN/American/Israeli sources may be biased)
There you go with that assumption, it's all about left vs right.
The world is far more complicated an affair even if some would have us believe otherwise.
Saying things before you know them to be true is stupid, and he doesn't understand what he's talking about.
Along the same silly lines of spelling your first name wrong so.....................
Again, signs of dementia really wanting to talk things into reality.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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06-26-2025, 01:40 PM
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"Damaged" vs. "Destroyed/Obliterated"
"6 months" vs. "6 years"
It's kind of like a game of Russian Roulette, isn't it? One side is saying "Mission Accomplished!" the threat is eliminated and all is well. The other saying, "Not so fast, something doesn't add up".
The gun is pointed at your head, and the bullet is an Iranian nuke.
Do you trust that the mission was a success and the chamber is empty? Or do you worry that maybe there is still a nuke hidden away that you don't know about?
Do you pull the trigger, or not?
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