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Trump says he bombed Iran
(06-26-2025, 08:57 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Repeating.
Iran admits that it's facilities are heavily damaged to destroyed.
America, Israel, Iran and the United Nations all agree.

If Iran says it is 'badly' damaged then it must be. Empty facilities are 'badly' damaged, and they aren't too worried about it are they?

Your country and Israel have successfully pushed Iran to now pursue acquiring nuclear weapons from Pakistan or Russia, congratulations.
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(06-26-2025, 09:03 AM)andy06shake Wrote: You may not, but people who wish to know the truth may well do. 

And severely damaged does not equate to complete obliteration.

As your POTUS keeps on claiming without actual evidence to support his suppositions.

You know the man jumps the gun more often than not, so why not simply admit Trump could be wrong?

Well then you are in for disappointment because America, Israel, Iran and the United Nations are not going to share classified intelligence and classified intelligence gathering techniques with random people on the internet.  

Trump, like all politicians, lies.   But not everything he says is a lie and what he is saying mirrors what American intelligence, Israeli intelligence, Iranian intelligence and UN intelligence have all said.   They are the experts.  He's quoting the experts by saying the sites have been destroyed.

If he was the only one saying it, then you'd have a valid reason not to believe him.  But he's just quoting what intelligence from all four sources are saying.  His statement has been backed up by them all, even Iran, who really doesn't want to loose face and admit it.
(06-26-2025, 09:04 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Your country and Israel have successfully pushed Iran to now pursue acquiring nuclear weapons from Pakistan or Russia, congratulations.
 Iran ALWAYS has been trying to get nuclear weapons from those and other places.  They are a terrorist regime.  It's what they do.  These strikes changed none of that.
(06-26-2025, 09:07 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Well then you are in for disappointment because America, Israel, Iran and the United Nations are not going to share classified intelligence and classified intelligence gathering techniques with random people on the internet.  

Trump, like all politicians, lies.   But not everything he says is a lie and what he is saying mirrors what American intelligence, Israeli intelligence, Iranian intelligence and UN intelligence have all said.   They are the experts.  He's quoting the experts by saying the sites have been destroyed.

If he was the only one saying it, then you'd have a valid reason not to believe him.  But he's just quoting what intelligence from all four sources are saying.  His statement has been backed up by them all, even Iran, who really doesn't want to loose face and admit it.

I'm not the one who seems disappointed, Trump on the other hand.................

Nobody in their right mind wishes to see Iran develop a nuclear device.

As to what the experts are saying, like your own DIA for instance? 

Where the preliminary assessment suggested the strikes set Iran’s program back only a few months, and not "completely obliterated" as claimed.
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(06-26-2025, 09:07 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Well then you are in for disappointment because America, Israel, Iran and the United Nations are not going to share classified intelligence and classified intelligence gathering techniques with random people on the internet.  

Trump, like all politicians, lies.   But not everything he says is a lie and what he is saying mirrors what American intelligence, Israeli intelligence, Iranian intelligence and UN intelligence have all said.   They are the experts.  He's quoting the experts by saying the sites have been destroyed.

If he was the only one saying it, then you'd have a valid reason not to believe him.  But he's just quoting what intelligence from all four sources are saying.  His statement has been backed up by them all, even Iran, who really doesn't want to loose face and admit it.

Trump is quoting intel from his four sources, while he previously rejected intel from all his sources, which was also verified by foreign sources. He picks and choose what Intel to believe according to what he feels that day or what Netanyahu tells him to think.
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(06-26-2025, 09:00 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Iran agrees .... badly damaged to destroyed.
They had to swallow some pride to admit that.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-says-...s-success/

The Ayatollah didn't... the supreme leader grand poobah says
Quote:The Islamic Republic also triumphed here and delivered a harsh blow to America. My second congratulations go to our dear Iran for its victory over the American regime," Khamenei said. "The US entered direct war because it felt that if it didn't, the Zionist regime would be completely destroyed. Yet, it gained nothing from this war. Here too, the Islamic Republic emerged victorious and delivered a harsh slap to America's face."
"A nation of around 90 million stood united, with one voice, shoulder to shoulder, supporting the armed forces," he continued. "The Iranian people demonstrated their exceptional character and showed that, when needed, a single voice will rise from this nation."


Iran's claimed "harsh blow" to America, as stated by Ayatollah Khamenei, likely refers to a missile attack on Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar on June 23, 2025, and missile strikes on Israel, a U.S. ally. The Qatar attack caused no injuries and minimal damage, with the U.S. calling it ineffective due to prior notice. Iran's strikes on Israel were limited and quickly de-escalated. Iran also claims its nuclear program remains intact, framing its resilience as a symbolic victory. However, U.S. intelligence asserts significant damage to Iran's nuclear facilities, suggesting the "harsh blow" is more rhetorical than substantive. Both sides present conflicting narratives, and the true impact remains unclear.



 
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Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Dan “Razin” Caine, shows a test demonstration of the GBU-57A/B MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator) 30,000lb “Bunker Buster” Bomb during today’s press conference at the Pentagon. Gen. Caine stated that 15 years went into working on the bombing plan for the Fordow Nuclear Facility in Iran, adding that PhDs working on classified GBU-57 “Bunker Bursting” Bomb Program were the “biggest users of supercomputers” in the United States. Before concluding with a statement clarifying that the GBU-57s dropped from B-2s on Fordow “functioned as designed” by the U.S. Air Force.
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(06-26-2025, 09:00 AM)sahgwa Wrote: So I wouldn't be surprised by the verdict of 'only set back a few months' , personally.  
Not that it matters, they won't be lobbing nukes at anyone any time soon.

I think the best outcome here is this turns into a non problem, and we let it get memory holed. The alternative is the embers of conflict start to flame up more, which I think most don’t have the appetite for.

It’s possible we’re taking the off ramp, and just like Iran did their symbolic strike that got intercepted in Qatar, we’re saying mission accomplished on our strike. (Obvious difference is there’s no question our strike hit, and did damage).

This isn’t new for us, hell, we had to justify the start of tariffs by associating the fentanyl crisis with Canada. ATS at the time would have had us believe Canada was a bigger threat to the US than China for Fentanyl at that time.

Politicians are still going to politic. I think people take them at their word too often, and fail to realize that they’re at least embellishing the truth for their agenda. Then, when something new and more interesting pops up, we act like the previous thing never happened.
(06-26-2025, 09:12 AM)putnam6 Wrote: The Ayatollah didn't... the supreme leader grand poobah did



 

See what I mean? Conflicting truths and propaganda from all sides.
"The only journey is the one within."
(06-26-2025, 09:10 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Where the preliminary assessment suggested the strikes set Iran’s program back only a few months, and not "completely obliterated" as claimed.

The preliminary classified assessment document stated it was 'low confidence' in what it was reporting.  It was an assessment for additional strikes on the battlefield.  It was not a full assessment for damage.  This is basic military procedure.  The additional strikes assessment on battlefields are always 'low confidence' and are subject to intelligence gathered 48-72 hours later, not just the first 12 hours.

Did you not watch the briefing today?  It was all explained.

America, Israel, Iran and UN all agree ... severely damaged to destroyed.
(06-26-2025, 09:12 AM)putnam6 Wrote: The Ayatollah didn't... the supreme leader grand poobah says

 

The actual military people did.
The Ayatollah is 86 and a 12th'er.
A nutter if ever there was one.



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