Trump says he bombed Iran

[CriticalStinker]

Iran's leader issues dubious claims of victory over Israel and the U.S.

The U.S. and Israel say one and/or back peddle to say another, and Iran says the opposite.

Maybe it is destroyed, but I think the broader claims are less believable, such as this eliminated a nuclear threat, or postponed it by years.

Before this conflict, I think everyone would agree Iran was flirting with the threshold as a deterrent/leverage, or outright racing to a bomb. After this, I imagine a bomb will be a top priority. 

Bibi has outright said he wants to see a Libya model for Iran, we all know how that played out. I think the conflict, and the pretty open talks of regime change showed the reality to Iran. The only way they can guard against this happening again is likely to test a nuke to prove they have one.

Obviously I’d much rather Iran not have a nuke, but then comes into question, how far do I want my government to to prevent it?

Israel, a new nation in the 50’s and 60’s with a tenth or less of the population of Iran made nuclear weapons. Fast forward 70 years, if a country is determined to get them, they probably will barring large scale war. That might be a war worth it to Israel, but I don’t think most Americans would agree it’s our war.

[andy06shake]

Empty facilities don't matter if those facilities were abandoned. It's all looking very ridiculous to me.

Well, the uranium centrifuges being destroyed matter.

But they might not have gotten them all.

Hence my ambivalence to believe Trump's claims of complete and utter annihilation.

Then there is the satellite imagery which would seem to suggest portions of the facilities remain operational and/or untouched by the attack.

[quintessentone]

You are starting to sound like Baghdad Bob defending the terrorists in Iran, when reality paints a very different picture.

Maybe you should go there to get a job as their Propaganda/Information Minister.

Tehran Tess

[Video: https://youtu.be/vC5UTUAxgpE?si=bv_FbA2x5pTm-bQ7]

Maybe you should try to get out of the cult and use critical thinking so as to be able to look at all sides.

[angelchemuel]

I would politely suggest quintessentone, andy06shake, oldcarpy and some others of you watch the video kindly shared by Encia22. If you watch the General speaking, these underground plants, particularly the largest one, has been under surveilance for 15 years...... US would have known if any enriched uranium had been shifted for example before the hit. You would also learn that these types of bombs do not leave the crater conventional weapons would.
At this moment, this action and the ceasefire between Israel and Iran created by Trump is still holding.

I just hope as time goes on, all of you questioning and criticising this action from the comforts of your armchairs will be humble enough to apologise and recognise exactly what went into this operation to make it a success and has without doubt made the world a safer place. I too am humble enough to put my hands up and apologise if indeed, over time, it is proven the attack was an unmitigated failure.

[quintessentone]

Maybe it is destroyed, but I think the broader claims are less believable, such as this eliminated a nuclear threat, or postponed it by years.

Before this conflict, I think everyone would agree Iran was flirting with the threshold as a deterrent/leverage, or outright racing to a bomb. After this, I imagine a bomb will be a top priority. 

Bibi has outright said he wants to see a Libya model for Iran, we all know how that played out. I think the conflict, and the pretty open talks of regime change showed the reality to Iran. The only way they can guard against this happening again is likely to test a nuke to prove they have one.

Obviously I’d much rather Iran not have a nuke, but then comes into question, how far do I want my government to to prevent it?

Israel, a new nation in the 50’s and 60’s with a tenth or less of the population of Iran made nuclear weapons. Fast forward 70 years, if a country is determined to get them, they probably will barring large scale war. That might be a war worth it to Israel, but I don’t think most Americans would agree it’s our war.

I too believe most Americans agree it's not your war, but your President and his admin. have to repay their donors.

[quintessentone]

Well, the uranium centrifuges being destroyed matter.

But they might not have gotten them all.

Hence my ambivalence to believe Trump's claims of complete and utter annihilation.

Then there is the satellite imagery which would seem to suggest portions of the facilities remain operational and/or untouched by the attack.

There is no Intel anywhere to inform us what are the actual realities there regarding the facilities. How long has Iran been preparing for an attack? Since 2003? Can we really believe they had no other hidden facilities?

[andy06shake]

I would politely suggest quintessentone, andy06shake, oldcarpy and some others of you watch the video kindly shared by Encia22. If you watch the General speaking, these underground plants, particularly the largest one, has been under surveilance for 15 years...... US would have known if any enriched uranium had been shifted for example before the hit. You would also learn that these types of bombs do not leave the crater conventional weapons would.
At this moment, this action and the ceasefire between Israel and Iran created by Trump is still holding.

I just hope as time goes on, all of you questioning and criticising this action from the comforts of your armchairs will be humble enough to apologise and recognise exactly what went into this operation to make it a success and has without doubt made the world a safer place. I too am humble enough to put my hands up and apologise if indeed, over time, it is proven the attack was an unmitigated failure.

We just watched the live press event Jane, or i did anyway.

And just to point out I'm already aware of exactly how these bombs function. 

At this moment, that's simply not proof of the claim Trump made about the sites being completely obliterated.

And questioning and criticizing things is what we do here, is it not?

Again, actual proof that these facilities or the material in question being completely destroyed remains elusive to say the least.

And that's just the fact of the matter.

[quintessentone]

At this moment, that's simply not proof of the claim Trump made about the sites being completely obliterated.

And questioning and criticizing things is what we do here, is it not?

Again, actual proof that these facilities or the material in question being destroyed remains elusive so say the least.

And that's just the facts of the matter.

Indeed, give us evidence we can not dismiss.

For the time being, all sides are slinging propaganda and chest thumping IMO.

[RazorV66]

There is no Intel anywhere to inform us what are the actual realities there regarding the facilities. How long has Iran been preparing for an attack? Since 2003? Can we really believe they had no other hidden facilities?

Here you go with the "intel" story again, like you have some inside info on what "intel" is real and what is not.

You don't. 

The US Intelligence agencies know where Iran's facilities are and Isreal has agents on the ground directly under Iran's noses.

[CriticalStinker]

Here you go with the "intel" story again, like you have some inside info on what "intel" is real and what is not.

You don't. 

The US Intelligence agencies know where Iran's facilities are and Isreal has agents on the ground directly under Iran's noses.

Isn’t that what they said? There is no intel to show us.

You and I haven’t seen any intel about Iran’s nuclear program. Before Iraq, there was a campaign to sell the dangers of WMD to congress and the UN. They presented intel (albeit proven to be wrong) to the people of our country and the world.

In March, Tulsi testified on Irans nuclear weapons  program, and while we could argue if it was inactive as the media paints it, or put it out some time to completion… it was at least different than Trumps couple of weeks away we heard recently. He noted that she was wrong, which some take as an implication the US intelligence community was wrong.

So it comes down to, do we trust Trump, and the intel he was using that differed from where we were at a few months ago. It’s your right to trust Trump with no evidence for his claims. It’s also our right to be skeptical given our recent track record.

Iran has been weeks/months/years away for 30 years. This has been a pet project for Bibi. I support Israel more than the rest of the nations in the region, but I also don’t trust them on certain topics, because they’ve proven to let their bias mislead us in the past.