Trump says he bombed Iran

[andy06shake]

After reading the 14 points of whatever I have come to the conclusion that A. this was thrown together last minute and we just agreed to what Iran wants B. That's a bunch of dough offered to Iran by Trump.

Never mind the fact that Netanyahu can choose to chuck a spanner in the works any time he pleases 

Does anyone really think Bibi will be bound to abide by the terms of Trump's one-page deal?

[AngryOldBrewer]

There is now no argument, Obama had a better deal with Iran.

[Oldcarpy2]

There is now no argument, Obama had a better deal with Iran.

Absolutely correct.

[CriticalStinker]

There is now no argument, Obama had a better deal with Iran.

Sadly there is argument about that.

There are partisans who think it was worth 13 US lives, over 100b dollars in direct costs for the war, unknown costs at home due to inflation, and however much we have to contribute for the deal just to get a weaker agreement and kill some leadership who was replaced.

Oh sorry, I forgot we destroyed the world renowned Iranian Air Force and Navy which they barely used in the conflict to begin with.

People are willing to mortgage the nations future for the youth to pay over pride. And they call themselves patriots.

Mind boggling.

[worldstarcountry]

Ouch, the prewar deal was better than this.

So we lost some US soldiers, spent a bunch of money on this war everyone has said would be dumb for decades, used a bunch of our most advanced munitions, and now unfreeze all Iranian assets, drop all sanctions, and help set up a 300b fund for them.

Absolutely incredible.

dont let your hatred of Trump cloud your judgement. That 300$ billion is not free money, and nowhere does it say as such. In fact, it clearly says the word financing. Financing means loans , as in business transactions. As in just like Germany and Japan repaid their loans over the course of decades, they paid with interest  . Not only that, if this actually goes through how I wish it, and not how I expect it to, Americans will be able to invest in the Iranian market, which I presume the architecture will be worked out in that 60 day window.

Follow the money, and not the targeted emotional trigger sound bytes. Iran has its own stock exchanges, like many developed nations. The way this MOU is written it seems they want to fully normalize Iran back into the world financial system. That is fucking money bonanza for all parties.

Not only that, I am quite satisfied how fucked up Israel got. There was no better justice than watching Israeli cities finally catch the same kind of heat they had been inflicting on multiple entire societies for generations now. Plus, these Hezbollah videos constantly smacking the shit out of Israeli armor, the scores of anti-air batteries just being buzzed and then smoked by drones with impunity in Lebanon, all of this Israel deserved as accountability for its evil deeds. I still fully expect them to try and false flag murder the biggest Homosexual gathering in Middle East history on July 4 weekend to try and blame on Iran, but lets hope not.

Mind you, what kind of interest over 20-60 years does a 300$ billion dollar financing agreement generate? Is that more than the zero dollar gifting pallets of cash generated?? No, best not to listen to that little bitch Obama, who was nothing but a servant to European interests and China.

This is actually a very  good deal. I would like to know how people characterize interest payments from a financing fund to multiple parties including the US as a bad thing, unless but Trump is the guiding principal in play here. The US navy is still saturated in the Caribbean, not far from all those offshore Dutch and other European island tax havens .  The one thing people have not been paying attention to, is the killing of the money laundering markets where European banksters wash the evil  drug money and sanctioned entities and terrorist financing of the world's bad guys, as well as the market manipulation itself as their weapons of choice especially as it pertained to American politics.

London and Belgium are consistently losing their manipulation abilities as American power begins to dominate their former domains and continues to purge out their political assets in North and South America. 

This shit is actually ideal right now, this Iran wrap up assuming it is not just a ploy that  Israel is playing along with to clear the mines and send in the assault groups for Kharg Island. Of course, they could always time the mine removal with the false flag homosexual murder plot on July 4, which would give Trump the grand public visible excuse to rain hell and take the island. I hate thinkin like this evil, but this is how evil the policy makers of Israel think so I have to get in there, and put it out into the ether as a hedge to keep them at bay. One cannot execute a false flag with plausible deniability that was predictably and fully described months before it ever gets under way. 

I myself am researching companies that will benefit from reconstruction and infrastructure development for possible investment. I am sure this kind of normalization may still be years away, but if what appears in front of us manages to gain steam, everyone can prosper.

[CriticalStinker]

dont let your hatred of Trump cloud your judgement. That 300$ billion is not free money, and nowhere does it say as such. In fact, it clearly says the word financing. Financing means loans , as in business transactions. As in just like Germany and Japan repaid their loans over the course of decades, they paid with interest  . Not only that, if this actually goes through how I wish it, and not how I expect it to, Americans will be able to invest in the Iranian market, which I presume the architecture will be worked out in that 60 day window.

Follow the money, and not the targeted emotional trigger sound bytes. Iran has its own stock exchanges, like many developed nations. The way this MOU is written it seems they want to fully normalize Iran back into the world financial system. That is fucking money bonanza for all parties.

Not only that, I am quite satisfied how fucked up Israel got. There was no better justice than watching Israeli cities finally catch the same kind of heat they had been inflicting on multiple entire societies for generations now. Plus, these Hezbollah videos constantly smacking the shit out of Israeli armor, the scores of anti-air batteries just being buzzed and then smoked by drones with impunity in Lebanon, all of this Israel deserved as accountability for its evil deeds. I still fully expect them to try and false flag murder the biggest Homosexual gathering in Middle East history on July 4 weekend to try and blame on Iran, but lets hope not.

Mind you, what kind of interest over 20-60 years does a 300$ billion dollar financing agreement generate? Is that more than the zero dollar gifting pallets of cash generated?? No, best not to listen to that little bitch Obama, who was nothing but a servant to European interests and China.

This is actually a very  good deal. I would like to know how people characterize interest payments from a financing fund to multiple parties including the US as a bad thing, unless but Trump is the guiding principal in play here. The US navy is still saturated in the Caribbean, not far from all those offshore Dutch and other European island tax havens .  The one thing people have not been paying attention to, is the killing of the money laundering markets where European banksters wash the evil  drug money and sanctioned entities and terrorist financing of the world's bad guys, as well as the market manipulation itself as their weapons of choice especially as it pertained to American politics.

London and Belgium are consistently losing their manipulation abilities as American power begins to dominate their former domains and continues to purge out their political assets in North and South America. 

This shit is actually ideal right now, this Iran wrap up assuming it is not just a ploy that  Israel is playing along with to clear the mines and send in the assault groups for Kharg Island. Of course, they could always time the mine removal with the false flag homosexual murder plot on July 4, which would give Trump the grand public visible excuse to rain hell and take the island. I hate thinkin like this evil, but this is how evil the policy makers of Israel think so I have to get in there, and put it out into the ether as a hedge to keep them at bay. One cannot execute a false flag with plausible deniability that was predictably and fully described months before it ever gets under way. 

I myself am researching companies that will benefit from reconstruction and infrastructure development for possible investment. I am sure this kind of normalization may still be years away, but if what appears in front of us manages to gain steam, everyone can prosper.

We don’t yet know exactly how that fund will be populated. I’ve heard Gulf Nations and or private investment which could be loans or investment into the oil infrastructure.

That said, that was always on the table. The reason people couldn’t invest/loan was due to sanctions. We didn’t have to go to war to lift the sanctions. We could have made a nuclear deal to lift sanctions like we have in the past.

Obama didn’t do anything great and was one of the worst presidents in my life, but he did the same thing… made a nuclear deal with promises of sanction relief and the unfreezing of Iranian money. I believe there was some money, 1.7 billion that was settled for a contract we didn’t satisfy for a weapons trade agreement we didn’t deliver on, with interest added.

But we didn’t go to war then, waste some of our most advanced munitions that take years to replace, or lose soldiers and a lot of money.

Ive always been against war in the Middle East, thats why I think Bush and Obama are the worst presidents in my lifetime. My dislike of Trump isn’t part of the calculus. I’m staunchly anti debt and anti war.

[govshill2]

No, Donald Trump did.  The first full year of the JCPOA was 2016--Obama's last year in office. During all of 2016 the US State Department and the international Atomic Energy Agency reviewed the situation on a quarterly basis (as required by the JCPOA) and certified that Iran was in compliance.  Then Trump came into office and his State Department and the IAEA likewise certified on a quarterly basis that Iran was in compliance. That continued for all of 2017 and the first part of 2018 until Trump pulled out of the JCPOA in May of 2018.  When he pulled out, he acknowledged that Iran was in compliance, but pulled out for other reasons--supposedly because the JCPOA did not address Iran's development of ballistic missiles or support for proxy agents like Hezbollah.

This keeps getting stone-skipped ....................... 

(aug 2017 article) Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure  

Knock Knock

[govshill2]

It looks like Trump is going to be handing over a lot of money!?

[Video: https://youtu.be/Pl3bsnCsAjE?si=gbVWp5j2je2L4VhJ]

No U.S. Treasury money.
MAYBE some private investments along with Gulf States. MAYBE.

[govshill2]

There is now no argument, Obama had a better deal with Iran.

but what about Iran not allowing IAEA access to some areas 

[worldstarcountry]

That said, that was always on the table. The reason people couldn’t invest/loan was due to sanctions. We didn’t have to go to war to lift the sanctions. We could have made a nuclear deal to lift sanctions like we have in the past.

I agree, and got right on here and was very vocal about the fuckery that this was. I hated it so much, that I invested in this forum to keep it alive just so we could all continue to debate and discuss it. Thats how mad this war  made me bro, I fucking spent money for the right of us all to keep griping about it. Your welcome btw.

However, that was  out of our control, and we have to learn to just accept it, and focus on what we can change or who we can educate or what we can expose in the process. I believe that the Iran war made the Israeli genocides and crimes against humanity full center on the global stage, where Israeli can no longer blackmail all the world's coordinated media anymore to control the narrative. Mind you this is still  their plot, they are openly discussing how to control the narrative in different countries on their own TV shows, it is pretty sick honestly.

However I judge by actions, and a $300 billion dollar loan agreement with interest payments > $1billion+ of free cash with no interwst  payments is just simple math. only emotional interests, like European society finally realizing they no longer rule the world through political extortion and market manipulation after 500 years are being critical of this stuff. Of course that is the message their loyal media (shareholder control and loyalties to non-corporate entities) are going to use to try and continue their brainwashing tactics. These criticism are produced with very intentional settings, sounds, and repetitive  hypnotic messaging. 

You think the rulers of the world are just going to forego using the knowledge of 200 years of psychology and 100 years of neuro-science as propaganda weapons when they need to maintain power? The most critical voices are coming from Europe and Israel, period! It is quite obviousy what the motives are. Money laundering and market manipulation control they are consistently losing as a result of American power projection.

Conflict is 90% money, and only 10% ideology. That is just arbitrary quantitative characterization on  my part. The point is, all conflicts are exclusively about money, everything else is just the sell for the populations, including the criticisms by third parties who sit and watch from the sidelines with feigned moral authority.

Ballistic missiles, nuclear dust, terrorism ; those are nothing  more than the sell. We have known this for the twenty+ years on ATS, and double that  from the observable experiences of life; so why do people keep parroting the BS is beyond me. I think many conflicts can be solved quicker if everyone just focuses on the reality that these are always money related. Taxable land, transit fees, open markets, resource control,  insurance etc.. etc.. 

Lloyds of London is certainly going to be upset that a safe Hormuz would mean insurance rates go damn near obsolete in pricing premiums.

it is ALWAYS the money, EVERY time. Now, let us hope Israel does not thwart the danger of peace breaking out in the Middle East as it always does now that global media no longer runs cover for them. Israel cannot justify any of its evil expansionist priorities with a peaceful middle east, period.