Trump says he bombed Iran

[DBCowboy]

That's an interesting take, because it's a lot harder for people reliant on symbiotic trade are less likely to go to war.

Look at the US and China, we need the rare earth and chips out of Taiwan, and they need that too because they just aren't as technologically advanced as we are. They slingshot into the modern world by trade, and when they were ripping everyone off of their intellectual property we were all to hooked on the cheap goods to do much about it. 

Many are afraid they'll take Taiwan to control the chips, but alas, they could take the island and do nothing with it from a high end fabrication standpoint. ASML has a monopoly on ultraviolet lithography. Their machines are the only ones that can produce current and next gen wafers. They have kill switches on all their machines, and even if that got short circuited they have to service them.

I guess the only part I disagree with is that we had to do the war in the first place. They've signed better deals than this, they've shown willingness to make better deals than this one before both conflicts. The only reason they don't do business is because of the sanctions.

Jesus, dude.

Iran has been funding terrorism for decades.

Now they couldn't fund a girl-scout camp for transgendered left-handed red heads with a fear of velcro.

[CriticalStinker]

Jesus, dude.

Iran has been funding terrorism for decades.

Now they couldn't fund a girl-scout camp for transgendered left-handed red heads with a fear of velcro.

They're a backwards barbaric government who oppresses their people.

Want to make a list of those? We could, and I'd agree this one is especially unfortunate given the number of people who have to live under their thumb.

You and I don't disagree there. We also wouldn't disagree that it's a dangerous theocracy existing in the modern world. Where you and I disagree is how much they are a threat to us compared to other foreign threats.

I'd also disagree with you that any external threat is more immediately dire than the internal systemic problems we have. I don't think you appreciate how bad it is that we're paying 1 trillion towards interest alone from our federal budget. That's as much as our Defense budget before the war. 

To service those payments and the rest of our spending, we have to borrow more money, meaning interest payments will go up and be the top expenditure. The baby boomers are the largest generation in America and about to go. The second largest are the millennials, and after that they're much smaller generations and only getting smaller. This is for a system built and rellient on growth and inflation. 

We can argue on what external threats MIGHT be an issue in the future. But I guess to me it just doesn't matter if there's no intent on fixing the host to begin with. It would be like worrying about something ten years from now when you have a terminal disease.

[chr0naut]

Thank you for clarifying that. You are saying the UN is useless as they did not hold Iran to their own agreed to limits.

Umm, they did hold Iran to the agreed limits. Even in 2014, when there was concern that Iran may have been non-compliant, a re-evaluation came to the conclusion that Iran was actually compliant.

After Trumb broke with the JCPOA in 2019, Iran continued to be compliant at least up until 2025, when uranium particulates were detected at the Fordow site, and which called into question if Iran had possibly been non-compliant.

[DBCowboy]

Umm, they did hold Iran to the agreed limits. Even in 2014, when there was concern that Iran may have been non-compliant, a re-evaluation came to the conclusion that Iran was actually compliant.

After Trumb broke with the JCPOA in 2019, Iran continued to be compliant at least up until 2025, when uranium particulates were detected at the Fordow site, and which called into question if Iran had possibly been non-compliant.

How in the holy hell do you know Iran was compliant?

Did Iran tell you?

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[EXETER]

How in the holy hell do you know Iran was compliant?

Did Iran tell you?

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No, Donald Trump did.  The first full year of the JCPOA was 2016--Obama's last year in office. During all of 2016 the US State Department and the international Atomic Energy Agency reviewed the situation on a quarterly basis (as required by the JCPOA) and certified that Iran was in compliance.  Then Trump came into office and his State Department and the IAEA likewise certified on a quarterly basis that Iran was in compliance. That continued for all of 2017 and the first part of 2018 until Trump pulled out of the JCPOA in May of 2018.  When he pulled out, he acknowledged that Iran was in compliance, but pulled out for other reasons--supposedly because the JCPOA did not address Iran's development of ballistic missiles or support for proxy agents like Hezbollah.

[DBCowboy]

No, Donald Trump did.  The first full year of the JCPOA was 2016--Obama's last year in office. During all of 2016 the US State Department and the international Atomic Energy Agency reviewed the situation on a quarterly basis (as required by the JCPOA) and certified that Iran was in compliance.  Then Trump came into office and his State Department and the IAEA likewise certified on a quarterly basis that Iran was in compliance. That continued for all of 2017 and the first part of 2018 until Trump pulled out of the JCPOA in May of 2018.  When he pulled out, he acknowledged that Iran was in compliance, but pulled out for other reasons--supposedly because the JCPOA did not address Iran's development of ballistic missiles or support for proxy agents like Hezbollah.

So you believe Trump when he said Iran was compliant, but don't believe Trump when he said they weren't compliant.

TDS

Get some help.

Really.

[chr0naut]

How in the holy hell do you know Iran was compliant?

Did Iran tell you?

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The IAEA report to the United Nations Security Council:

Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement and relevant provisions of the United Nations Security Council resolutions in the Islamic Republic of Iran - 2026 report

And the US Intelligence assessment to Congress:

Iran and Nuclear Weapons Production from Congress.gov

... from paragraph 4 of the Congressional report:

A 2025 public U.S. intelligence assessment stated that "Iran is not building a nuclear weapon" and that the now-former Supreme Leader had "not reauthorized the nuclear weapons program he suspended in 2003." IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi stated on March 4, 2026, that the agency "never had information indicating that there was a structured systematic [Iranian] program to build or to construct a nuclear weapon.

[DBCowboy]

The IAEA report to the United Nations Security Council:

Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement and relevant provisions of the United Nations Security Council resolutions in the Islamic Republic of Iran - 2026 report

Iran and Nuclear Weapons Production from Congress.gov

... from paragraph 4 of the Congressional report:

Oh so you believe the UN and congress,  kay.

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[chr0naut]

Oh so you believe the UN and congress,  kay.

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Yes, I believe the UN and quite specifically the IAEA, as an office of that body, which holds extremely rigorous and exacting scientific and engineering measurement standards to it's reportage.

To a certain extent, I also trust the US Congress, but only in regard to reporting upon its own delf-interest, and in its compliance to legal rules and to 3rd party audit by legal process.

I do not trust US Intelligence agencies because they have been wrong in their assessments over and over again, especially in regard to the topic of weapons of mass destruction.

And I have no trust in the things that Trumb says, like when at the end of his first (4 year) term he explained that he had over a decade (10 years) of doing what no other President had ever achieved. LOL. Trumb level dump!

[Knows]

Accurate account and update of what is going on at this time. 




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