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Trump says he bombed Iran
I am face palming at those who  believe this is the moment. It is not, there will be shooting again in less than ten days. Better adjust your portfolio now before the next round so you can at least lock in whatever you gained.

The only purpose of this is, IMO anyways, is to clear the mines so the Amphibious assault and carrier strike groups can move in.
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Carrier Strike Groups
  • Carrier Strike Group Abraham Lincoln — USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN‑72)
  • Carrier Strike Group George H.W. Bush — USS George H.W. Bush (CVN‑77)
Amphibious / Expeditionary Strike Groups
  • Expeditionary/Amphibious Strike Group Bataan‑class — USS Bataan (LHD‑5) with embarked MEU
  • Expeditionary/Amphibious Strike Group Essex‑class — USS Essex (LHD‑2) with embarked MEU
Underway Logistics / Replenishment (in‑region, high readiness)
  • Military Sealift Command replenishment/oilers (examples: USNS Patuxent (T‑AO), USNS John Lenthall (T‑AO))
  • Rotating MSC auxiliaries and expeditionary support ships staged in the region
I reserve my judgement until I see any of these formations actually leave the area, or at  least get reduced. As it sits to me, looks like we are just trying to hoodwink a mine clearing and immediate deployment of quick reaction force to move in for the steal.

Israel will force retaliation through another attack, which the US and European media will pretend never happen and claim Iran has attacked doing the usual disregarding of the fact Israel tends to always fire first and not even report it at all is the usual MO. Then Trump will be all "derp derp, we warned them about playing nice" and bam,  with the  mines clear the operation to take Kharg will likely commence.

Of  course I could  be very wrong, and would rather prefer that I am wrong. I just think actions over words is where the truth is. I personally would not choose this scenario anyway. If my goal was to force submission, I would just destroy Kharg island and cripple their entire society within days. It would also take them years to rebuild  that infrastructure and energy capacity, which would not bode well in an environment where big boys are tearing down your borders. It should make capturing Bandar Abbas doable within a week, and give us our opportunity to take Qeshm, which is better suited for land operations as it is not just a small open flat land.

The infrastructure can be rebuilt on the south side of the Island, perhaps even in tandem with the carving of  a canal across that peninsula that pushes out from Oman/UAE . These are long term plans for long term goals. But the rapid destruction of Iran's energy production and revenue stream would cripple them. I think the only problem in this scenario though is the willingness of Russia and China volunteering direct kinetic action as a bet that they can outlast us with them being closer to production capacity than our own forces. That  means we will have to continue importing assets from the Western Hemisphere and Europe; which does not happen instantly if someone dragged a cursor across a screen, highlights their units and clicks deploy like a video game.

Eh, now that I typed that out perhaps this is a sincere pause? The effort to pull off the trick would expend a lot of resources.
(Yesterday, 12:14 PM)worldstarcountry Wrote: I am face palming at those who  believe this is the moment. It is not, there will be shooting again in less than ten days. Better adjust your portfolio now before the next round so you can at least lock in whatever you gained.

The only purpose of this is, IMO anyways, is to clear the mines so the Amphibious assault and carrier strike groups can move in.
I reserve my judgement until I see any of these formations actually leave the area, or at  least get reduced. As it sits to me, looks like we are just trying to hoodwink a mine clearing and immediate deployment of quick reaction force to move in for the steal.

Israel will force retaliation through another attack, which the US and European media will pretend never happen and claim Iran has attacked doing the usual disregarding of the fact Israel tends to always fire first and not even report it at all is the usual MO. Then Trump will be all "derp derp, we warned them about playing nice" and bam,  with the  mines clear the operation to take Kharg will likely commence.

Of  course I could  be very wrong, and would rather prefer that I am wrong. I just think actions over words is where the truth is. I personally would not choose this scenario anyway. If my goal was to force submission, I would just destroy Kharg island and cripple their entire society within days. It would also take them years to rebuild  that infrastructure and energy capacity, which would not bode well in an environment where big boys are tearing down your borders. It should make capturing Bandar Abbas doable within a week, and give us our opportunity to take Qeshm, which is better suited for land operations as it is not just a small open flat land.

The infrastructure can be rebuilt on the south side of the Island, perhaps even in tandem with the carving of  a canal across that peninsula that pushes out from Oman/IAE . These are long term plans for long term goals. But the rapid destruction of Iran's energy production and revenue stream would cripple them. I think the only problem in this scenario though is the willingness of Russia and China volunteering direct kinetic action as a bet that they can outlast us with them being closer to production capacity than our own forces. That  means we will have to continue importing assets from the Western Hemisphere and Europe; which does not happen instantly if someone dragged a cursor across a screen, highlights their units and clicks deploy like a video game.

Eh, now that I typed that out perhaps this is a sincere pause? The effort to pull off the trick would expend a lot of resources.


I wondered about building a canal across that peninsula, too.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope.  Nothing...
(Yesterday, 09:33 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: News conference just now with Modi he just committed the US to defend India if attacked.....even against Pakistan which has nukes?

Is that wise?



There's also been regular exchanges of fire on the Indo-Chinese border for the last 60 years or so and a very tentative truce between the two agreed a few weeks ago and ongoing border conflict with Nepal so seems a strange nation to pick and unexpected to say the least.

I guess its meant as an apology for US killing Indian citizens (or troops according to some papers) in the Strait a few weeks back but who knows??
(Yesterday, 12:26 PM)bastion Wrote: There's also been regular exchanges of fire on the Indo-Chinese border for the last 60 years or so and a very tentative truce between the two agreed a few weeks ago and ongoing border conflict with Nepal so seems a strange nation to pick and unexpected to say the least.

I guess its meant as an apology for US killing Indian citizens (or troops according to some papers) in the Strait a few weeks back but who knows??


Who knows, indeed.

He makes up foreign policy on the hoof.
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The terms of... victory? ...have been made public.

US releases official agreement with Iran. Read the 14-point text
(Yesterday, 12:16 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: I wondered about building a canal across that peninsula, too.

Right? I mean its a shorter distance than either the Panama or Suez. I think the biggest problem is engineering. It is very hard rock terrain I believe.
(Yesterday, 12:34 PM)Astyanax Wrote: The terms of... victory? ...have been made public.

US releases official agreement with Iran. Read the 14-point text
Quote:11 The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the implementation of this MOU. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will mutually agree on the procedures related to the release of these funds during negotiations. Such funds, whether obtaining the original account or transfer, shall be made fully usable for payment to any ultimate beneficiary designed by the Central Bank, excuse me, ultimate beneficiary designated by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America undertakes to issue all necessary licenses and authorizations accordingly.

I guess that would be the $24 billion or thereabouts.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(Yesterday, 12:38 PM)worldstarcountry Wrote: Right? I mean its a shorter distance than either the Panama or Suez. I think the biggest problem is engineering. It is very hard rock terrain I believe.

Is this the one that was proposed to be excavated using nukes? 

https://theconversation.com/bypass-the-s...60s-278851
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(Yesterday, 12:34 PM)Astyanax Wrote: The terms of... victory? ...have been made public.

US releases official agreement with Iran. Read the 14-point text



What a joke.  Words fail me.... Shocked2

"Best endeavours"?

 Shocked2  Lol
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope.  Nothing...
About as watertight as a paper sieve.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope.  Nothing...



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