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This post was last modified: 05-27-2026, 11:26 AM by Knows. 
(05-27-2026, 03:25 AM)Astyanax Wrote: Show us when and how Iran has altered its position since the war's beginning.
That's the reason the war isn't over. That's the reason their Navy is at the bottom of the Ocean etc. They still have the same position as their dead leaders. You're not dealing with Jimmy Carter.
Quote:Concurrently, the U.S. and regional analysts point to Iran's ongoing refusal to fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz as the underlying breach of the initial agreement.
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(05-27-2026, 11:22 AM)Knows Wrote: That's the reason the war isn't over. That's the reason their Navy is at the bottom of the Ocean etc. They still have the same position as their dead leaders. You're not dealing with Jimmy Carter. 
If thats the case, whats with the "defensive attacks"?
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(05-27-2026, 11:22 AM)Knows Wrote: That's the reason the war isn't over. That's the reason their Navy is at the bottom of the Ocean etc. They still have the same position as their dead leaders. You're not dealing with Jimmy Carter. 
Oh, so the hostages won't get freed and all the credit wont be given to his successor, who did almost nothing except be in office for 15 minutes when they released them?
What about Accords to get former adversaries to recognize Israel's sovereignty?
Carter and Trump are more alike with their middle east goals, similar approaches to get Accords signed. Only one has a willingness to use war to get those final signatures.
Quote:While Carter and his administration negotiated and finalized the release agreement—which included unfreezing roughly $8 billion in Iranian assets—the Iranians intentionally delayed the planes' takeoff. The hostages were finally freed into American custody on January 20, 1981, just minutes after Ronald Reagan took the oath of office.
Thats Iran all over. And still Iran all over. But with inflation 8 billion is now 24 billion...
* could not get that phrasing right
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(05-27-2026, 11:24 AM)andy06shake Wrote: If thats the case, whats with the "defensive attacks"? Quote:What Prompted the Defensive Strikes?According to details from U.S. defense officials, the military action was a direct response to a 24-hour window of heightened, provocative operations by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC): [1]- Surface-to-Air Missile Launches: The IRGC fired multiple surface-to-air missiles while American aircraft were operating in international airspace nearby. While no U.S. aircraft were hit, the action posed an immediate threat.
- Mine-Laying Activity: U.S. intelligence tracked Iranian drones and small boats moving into position to lay underwater mines near the Strait of Hormuz. These mines directly threaten commercial vessels and U.S. naval operations.
- Drone Claims: Iranian state media claimed the IRGC successfully shot down an American MQ-9 Reaper drone and forced an F-35 fighter jet out of its airspace. Independent verification from international monitors has not confirmed these specific losses. [1, 2, 3]
Targeted AssetsThe "very limited" and "very precise" retaliatory strikes targeted infrastructure on Iran's Gulf coast. Specifically, CENTCOM forces neutralized missile launch sites and Iranian small boats designated for mine deployment. [1, 2, 3, 4]Impact on the Peace ProcessDespite the exchange of fire, the broader ceasefire structure remains functional as diplomats attempt to finalize a treaty: [1, 2]- Exercising Restraint: CENTCOM spokesperson Captain Tim Hawkins emphasized that the U.S. military is maintaining "restraint during the ongoing ceasefire" even as it defends its personnel.
- Negotiations Continue: In Qatar, delegations are still actively working toward a formal memorandum of understanding to end the war and reliably open the Strait of Hormuz.
- Diplomatic Stance: President Trump noted that peace talks are still "proceeding nicely," and Secretary of State Marco Rubio indicated negotiators are close to resolving remaining language disputes.
- Fabricated Draft Leaks: The White House explicitly warned the public to disregard a 14-point "initial framework" broadcasted by Iran’s state TV (IRIB), calling claims that the U.S. agreed to withdraw all surrounding forces a "complete fabrication". [1, 2, 3, 4,
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(05-27-2026, 11:55 AM)Knows Wrote:
If they are "beaten" "on their arse, at the bottom of the ocean, or in flames, one has to ponder how/why your nation has to respond with "defensive attacks"?
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(05-27-2026, 12:09 PM)andy06shake Wrote: If they are "beaten" "on their arse, at the bottom of the ocean, or in flames, one has to ponder how/why your nation has to respond with "defensive attacks"?
I think it was response to some missiles and some small boats laying new mines in the water.
I Think. They Think. Maybe.
Quote:“U.S. forces conducted self-defense strikes in southern Iran today to protect our troops from threats posed by Iranian forces,” CENTCOM spokesperson Capt. Tim Hawkins said in a statement. “Targets included missile launch sites and Iranian boats attempting to emplace mines. U.S. Central Command continues to defend our forces while using restraint during the ongoing ceasefire.”
US forces strike Iranian boats, launch sites in Bandar Abbas (May 25)
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(05-27-2026, 12:17 PM)govshill2 Wrote: I think it was response to some missiles and some small boats laying new mines in the water.
I Think. They Think. Maybe.
Personally, I think it was a response to Iran saying "no deal".
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(05-27-2026, 12:23 PM)andy06shake Wrote: Personally, I think it was a response to Iran saying "no deal".
More like Iran is taking the pish and making the US look impotent.
The US needs to get it's act together but as there never was any well thought out plan looks like it's headless chicken time.
I wonder when Hegseth will be thrown under the bus?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(05-27-2026, 12:40 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: More like Iran is taking the pish and making the US look impotent.
The US needs to get it's act together but as there never was any well thought out plan looks like it's headless chicken time.
I wonder when Hegseth will be thrown under the bus?
When you cut the head off a crazy religious fundamentalist chicken.
And then can't make it cross the road.
The yoke is on their face...
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(05-27-2026, 10:30 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: You sure that you're from the UK?
Your English is atrocious.
But in an unmistakably British (not necessarily English) way.
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