Trump says he bombed Iran

[cherokeetroy]

It appears corrupt Trump has gone too far

Israel's being exposed

MAGA is dead

I'm here for it

[Orby]

Calling entire societies "spawn of the devil" or "backwoods" is propaganda-brain thinking, not serious analysis.

Iran's regime is authoritarian, funds proxies, and absolutely deserves criticism, but "beat them into submission" has been the logic behind half the Middle East disasters of the last 40 years.

Iraq was invaded over imaginary WMD paranoia that turned out to be false.

And it did nothing more than destabilise the region, and indirectly strengthened Iran.

Military strikes can delay nuclear programs, not magically erase knowledge or ideology, Orby.

Also, treating Trump like a heaven-sent saviour is cult logic dressed up as geopolitics.

Some might suggest thats also a form of mental illness...

But you muse see it, there is no other way but to keep bombing the crap out of the muslim world every time they get a little cocky and start attempting to steal our nuclear technology and produce their own weapons. You are failing to see that this has been completely effective for many decades. Assad's nukes, saddam's Osiraki nuke, repeated attacks on the Mullahs nukes, it's worked absolute wonders and up to this point complete success. There is no other way. You can't deal with these primitive types, the only way is keep bombing the absolute cr*p out of them. We were doing this to the Afghani's 100 years ago pounding them from the air. What's the other option? Go Obama style give 'em a load of dosh and let them continue developing nukes? The same tribal types that fund terror all over the globe and orchestrated, funded and armed the attack on 7/10. It doesn't work out like that with this lot, logic will never apply. They only understand one thing, being hit with a very sharp stick over and over and over again.

[Orby]

We the British and most of the rest of the world were still wiping shit of our asses with our hands when China yes China had a sophisticated civilisation a few thousand years ago. 

Wheres the sophistication in the US or Britain even today, for that matter ..
We have much arrogance instead of sophistication.

China? Yes of course, I'd class them as one of the superior races being honest and realistic about it. A background in developing technology. Plus it's them that need the oil. I'm trying to get them to take over the role from the West in policing that kak hole called the ME. A good old dose of Chinese rule Xinjang style and the natives will fall into line in no time. The Islamic experiment persued by the Mullahs needs eliminating. Chinese power is just the medicine needed to sort out that region of trouble and terror.

[Orby]

Exactly. Why bother with facts, they just get in the way of the ideas. To hell with them, let the stupidity and hatred flow free!

You're quite right, Orby. Far right, in fact.

I'm not far right. Actually find that repellant. The accusation hurts. Right from centre maybe, but I actually work for a living, pay my taxes, have a genuine British back ground that while I'm not particularly proud of I do like as we gave so many of you civilisation, legal systems, the language (that probably replaced your basic native tongue) educational system, way of living, culture, military system, music by way of the Scotts Irish. You have so much to thank us for, but it's ok, it was an honour to give you this, big baby

[Orby]

There isn't a clear distinction between development of nuclear resources for, say, power generation, or medicine, vs nuclear weapons.

When the UN teams were going in and checking all the time, they said there was no sign of Iran developing nuclear weapons, but that didn't stop Israel's bombing raids on their nuclear facilities - that the UN were monitoring and said were not producing weapons grade stuff.

Because it's all about the PR, nothing to do with facts.

And, if the big nuclear armed powers were worried about rogue nations developing nukes, why are they allowing North Korea to not only have nukes, but it's also allowed to continue to develop ICBM's to deliver them, even to cities within US, Russian and Chinese borders?

There's an enormous amount of evidence that Iran is developing nukes. Added to this they've got enormous deposits of carbons, they don't need nuke technology, just like they don't need missiles that can hit London or New York, of which they are developing. They've built secret bases in mountains to hide the development. Moved the processing far more than is necessary for power generation. Absolute nonsense that Iran isn't developing nukes. 

Why compare with North Korea? Completely different situation. Those east Asians aren't a threat to our society like militant Islam is. Lttle Kim or whoever is over there right now leading the show isn't trying to spread global terror, religious fundamentalism worldwide. They just want to look after their own. No real hatred of Christians just an attempt to live how they want within their own borders and in their own political way. Iran spreads terror worldwide, murders western troops through IEDs all the time, attacks and surrounds Israel with its proxies, destabilses africa too, plus its own region. This goes back to the bommbing that killed 100's of US army in Lebanon or the Jewish centre in Argentine. Decade after decad of terror spraed worldwide. But people can't see that they are developing nuclear weapons along with the missiles to carry them, then they can't see that this needs stopping one way or another. To not acknowledge this is crazy.

We are facing off against an ideolgical threat. A clash of civilisations in a battle long term where there must be one winner in a war of totality just like WW2. A total crushing defeat of Shia Islam, then a re-wiring of the natives brains, just like we did with the German's post WW2. Look at how successful that has been. The natives in what was Nazi Germany through total defeat have been brainwashed through the educational system, from a hellish race of genocidal maniacs into the peaenik pussy cats one sees today. The same must be achieved with the Iranian's for the good of planet Earth.

[Astyanax]

I'm not far right. Actually find that repellant. The accusation hurts. Right from centre maybe, but I actually work for a living, pay my taxes, have a genuine British back ground that while I'm not particularly proud of I do like as we gave so many of you civilisation, legal systems, the language (that probably replaced your basic native tongue) educational system, way of living, culture, military system, music by way of the Scotts Irish. You have so much to thank us for, but it's ok, it was an honour to give you this, big baby

So, what about those bombs?

Oh, and in a Socratic spirit, take this test.

[chr0naut]

There's an enormous amount of evidence that Iran is developing nukes. Added to this they've got enormous deposits of carbons, they don't need nuke technology, just like they don't need missiles that can hit London or New York, of which they are developing. They've built secret bases in mountains to hide the development. Moved the processing far more than is necessary for power generation. Absolute nonsense that Iran isn't developing nukes. 

Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say - Scientific American

Why compare with North Korea? Completely different situation. Those east Asians aren't a threat to our society like militant Islam is. Lttle Kim or whoever is over there right now leading the show isn't trying to spread global terror, religious fundamentalism worldwide. They just want to look after their own. No real hatred of Christians just an attempt to live how they want within their own borders and in their own political way. Iran spreads terror worldwide, murders western troops through IEDs all the time, attacks and surrounds Israel with its proxies, destabilses africa too, plus its own region. This goes back to the bommbing that killed 100's of US army in Lebanon or the Jewish centre in Argentine. Decade after decad of terror spraed worldwide. But people can't see that they are developing nuclear weapons along with the missiles to carry them, then they can't see that this needs stopping one way or another. To not acknowledge this is crazy.

Nuclear-Armed North Korea Threatens US With ‘Overwhelming’ Response

N Korea missile puts all of US mainland in nuclear attack range

We are facing off against an ideolgical threat. A clash of civilisations in a battle long term where there must be one winner in a war of totality just like WW2. A total crushing defeat of Shia Islam, then a re-wiring of the natives brains, just like we did with the German's post WW2. Look at how successful that has been. The natives in what was Nazi Germany through total defeat have been brainwashed through the educational system, from a hellish race of genocidal maniacs into the peaenik pussy cats one sees today. The same must be achieved with the Iranian's for the good of planet Earth.

Many Nazi scientists escaped from Germany at the end of the war and became US citizens via Operation Paperclip.

The right-wing side of US politics today has many members who admire the Nazi's.

The current US administration's persecution of Communists (or those who are left leaning) and the government attitudes to immigrants, which it dehumanizes in propaganda, and blames for crimes (that are mostly perpetrated by the established existing US population), are obvious indicators of a proto-Nazi and Fascist-like regime.

It may have escaped your attention, but the "No more kings" protests weren't some devious Communist plot, but were because people are realising some disturbing things are happening right now in US politics (To suggest that 8 to 9 million or so protesters are "paid agitators", as Trump did, is ludicrous).

[Orby]

So, what about those bombs?

Oh, and in a Socratic spirit, take this test.

Have no idea what it all means Astyanax yet here's te result.................
 Your Political CompassEconomic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18
On the bombs front. Well Yanks em by the barrel load, I can't see why they can't produce enough to keep pounding the Mullahs until they hand over the nuke

[Orby]

Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say - Scientific American


Nuclear-Armed North Korea Threatens US With ‘Overwhelming’ Response

N Korea missile puts all of US mainland in nuclear attack range


Many Nazi scientists escaped from Germany at the end of the war and became US citizens via Operation Paperclip.

The right-wing side of US politics today has many members who admire the Nazi's.

The current US administration's persecution of Communists (or those who are left leaning) and the government attitudes to immigrants, which it dehumanizes in propaganda, and blames for crimes (that are mostly perpetrated by the established existing US population), are obvious indicators of a proto-Nazi and Fascist-like regime.

It may have escaped your attention, but the "No more kings" protests weren't some devious Communist plot, but were because people are realising some disturbing things are happening right now in US politics (To suggest that 8 to 9 million or so protesters are "paid agitators", as Trump did, is ludicrous).

North Koreans aren't trying to change the world, they just wat to be left in peace. They might have got a bit fed up of foreigners by the 50's you ever thought about that? The Japanese had devastated the country, then along comes much of the world to inbvade them again! The death tolls was insane, I had a Scottish mate who used to tell me the stories about the war. He reckoned it was a bit like the film Zulu, you just kept killing them like destroying an ant nest. From memory those they fought weren't generally the NOrks but Commies from China, loads of Chinese swarming towards your line and you just kept machine gunning the, they'd relentlessly send in wave afet wave never going short of gun fodder. Crazy, ideological then, but not now. Kim just wants his own system, yeah maybe a bit of south but he's no threat to the planet being honest and realistic about it. Unlike that of Iran. 

I'm amazed you can't acknowledge that Iran is developing nukes. They spent fortunes of oil wealth on this programme while the people are close to financial ruin. Any independent state will consider develoment when they are in the sights of the PTB. I don't blame them really, Iran is targeted by certain elements for sure that desire it weakened through military action. Yet because of its religious stance and threat to the world through terror, there is absolutely no chance to risk inaction. There can be no other way than to ban these imposters to the nuclear world a ban from developing nukes. Too risky, too much of a threat to TPTB. If you believe they will risk giving Iran a chance in the nuclear field after 7/10 then no no no no no, that, is just not going to happen. 

On the scientists front yes many were taken to the States. Class it as war booty. The scientists wanted it anyway. You honestly believe being taken by the Yanks was a bad thing when the other option was letting the Soviets get there hands on you?   You need to look at what happened to millions of Germans and German territories in the east of Europe once the USSR came in. those scientist were desperate to escape the USSR advance. For any fault it has the USA was better bet to that. That's just the way it worked. It was the second batch too. yanks had alraedy taken the first batch of German scientists pre 1939 in their escape from the Reich and the territories it controlled, leading to you getting the bomb first.

[bastion]

NK has threatenned to nuke the US for years and has recently crossed the nuclear arsenal/ICBM capacity to overwhelm current US missile defences; Kim has announced a further rapid expansion in nukes and current ICBM tech is capable of reaching any part of mainland US incase the US tried a similar regime decapitation as in Iran. NK is currently calling the US a terrorist state and threatenning nuclear war if US doesn't cement NK nuclear power status as irreversible in current US-South Korea discussions.

Iran were slowly working towards nukes but stuck to non-proliferation criteria prior to US pulling out, the US own IAE report on Iran earlier this year said the 60% enriched had remained burried and innacessible since US-Israeli strikes last year and would still be at least a decade from posesing a viable nuclear missile - https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents...Report.pdf

I agree fundamentalist extremists like the mullahs and taliban cannot be allowed to poses a nuke but Iran were still a long way off - the US negotiations team failed to include anyone qualified in nuclear science, materials science or missile tech and need to stop ignoring the fact if the genuine aim of the negotiations is to prevent Iran becoming a nuclear power.