Trump says he bombed Iran

[andy06shake]

The Iranian's really have been gearing up to produce nukes. No ifs or buts, they've made the progression. Forget the Iraq, Afghan stuff for a moment, imagine iran with nuclear missiles, it's insane, they just can't be trusted as this is ideolgical and a clash in many ways of civilisations. Too much has happened to allow the Iranian's to mposess nukes. If there is no other way then boots on the ground is the way forward. I'm pretty old school mate and I don't believe we should have relinquished part of our Empire when we did. Can't remember if Iran was part of it yet certainly strings were pulled behind the scenes, and the idea that such places be allowed full independence when they threaten our existence is crazy. Re-colonise the region is probably the only way long term to suppress the fundamentaists. I don't believe India, China, or Russia will mind either as long as they are thrown part of the cake.

Nuclear proliferation is a valid concern, Orby.

It would be rather remiss to assume otherwise.  

But saying Iran has "no ifs or buts" proven nuclear weapons capability goes beyond the actual evidence.

Intelligence assessments have repeatedly fluctuated.

And there's a big difference between enrichment capacity and an actual deployable nuclear warhead.

Jumping from that kind of uncertainty to straight "boots on the ground" ignores what Iraq and Afghanistan already showed us.

Regime change wars don't reliably reduce threats.

Truth is, they usually multiply them.
 
As to the idea of "recolonising" the region.

Come on mate, thats forgetting history entirely.

Iran, India, and the rest aren't imperial blank slates anymore.

For us to do with as we wish, or see fit. 

Trying to rewind that clock isn't strategy, it's fantasy.

Possibly with some rather catastrophic consequences.

[Orby]

Nuclear proliferation is a valid concern, Orby.

It would be rather remiss to assume otherwise.  

But saying Iran has "no ifs or buts" proven nuclear weapons capability goes beyond the actual evidence.

Intelligence assessments have repeatedly fluctuated.

And there's a big difference between enrichment capacity and an actual deployable nuclear warhead.

Jumping from that kind of uncertainty to straight "boots on the ground" ignores what Iraq and Afghanistan already showed us.

Regime change wars don't reliably reduce threats.

Truth is, they usually multiply them.
 
As to the idea of "recolonising" the region.

Come on mate, thats forgetting history entirely.

Iran, India, and the rest aren't imperial blank slates anymore.

For us to do with as we wish, or see fit. 

Trying to rewind that clock isn't strategy, it's fantasy.

Possibly with some rather catastrophic consequences.

Colonialism is back on the cards mate big style. China does it in its acquired, Russia does it in Ukraine etc, Trump seems to like it in south America, Cuba etc. There is no reason why we can't colonise the whole ME again. these are primitive societies that, were unfit for self government, just like much of sub saharan Africa. With modern technology it will be much easier to go and take these regions back. We don't even need a standing force, you can drone it like Israel does over Beirut and Damascus when something needs eliminating it. Robots will secure areas and deal wit the natices, policing where necessary, calling in the drones to eliminate threats when necessary. These primitive places need to stay that way, backwards if you will. There is no reason to let nations like Iran, iraq Syria, get the nuke. They didn't invent the technology, they had no part in it and the belief that they can suddenly elevate themselves to the table of the western nations that invested all their educated classes and wealth into producing the weapons is just wrong. It's theft, intellectual theft, and this needs suppressing for the good of the west and civilisation at large. Places like Yemen, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somali, Eritrea, these places have proved to be thorns in the side of the civilised world. We gave them a chance to govern themselves, then they used this new found experiment to turn on us and become havens for jihad. I'm sorry mate but no good can come of letting these primitive societies have self government when it comes back to bite us. We have professional armies, time to go in and sort out these places once and for all.

[cherokeetroy]

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[CriticalStinker]

Immigration is based on people coming to fill the jobs white people are too bone idle to do mate and prefer to sit on their trackie sagging fat arses playing games machines scoffing Quavers, special brew and fags. They come cuz the natives in Europe are too bone idle to work. Immigration is not a problem, we need them, our native youth are too bone idle to do anything. I'm all for it, my floks got looked after by african blacks from Ghana and Zim in care homes, or home care, they did a great job. I'd just draw the line at muslims, no thank you please. 

So how do you solve the Iranian nuke issue without military means??????????????? Do it like Kim in NK, or pakistan? Nope, they got bem. The only way is to bomb the crap out of Iran till they hand over the uranium. It's so simple, reduce that nation to Germany 45, then invade on all fronts. They won't stand a chance against the IDF, Arab nations, Yanks, plus any other mil that might join in the global necessity.

I disagree. The citizens got priced out. 

And that doesn’t change the fact that young kids can still do things right, go to uni or trade school, get a job paying 60k (which is high for a young kid without tons of experience) and still struggle. 

Im not saying we give out free stuff or make welfare states, but certain things need to be addressed like inflation and other variables that make it impossible for young people to start families. 

I could have bought a house in my twenties off a modest career. That is not a possibility for most here in America. Average first time homebuyer is now 40 when it was in the 20’s in the 1990’s. The older generation is more willing to say it’s young people’s fault then help fix the looming depopulation crisis… all while they go out and complain about the plight of white people. It’s doublespeak.

As for Iran, you say diplomacy wouldn’t work but yet there have been deals made on that front. You say bombing is the only way, yet that hasn’t worked and we’re currently looking for a new deal. See the problems in the logic there?

[andy06shake]

Colonialism is back on the cards mate big style. China does it in its acquired, Russia does it in Ukraine etc, Trump seems to like it in south America, Cuba etc. There is no reason why we can't colonise the whole ME again. these are primitive societies that, were unfit for self government, just like much of sub saharan Africa. With modern technology it will be much easier to go and take these regions back. We don't even need a standing force, you can drone it like Israel does over Beirut and Damascus when something needs eliminating it. Robots will secure areas and deal wit the natices, policing where necessary, calling in the drones to eliminate threats when necessary. These primitive places need to stay that way, backwards if you will. There is no reason to let nations like Iran, iraq Syria, get the nuke. They didn't invent the technology, they had no part in it and the belief that they can suddenly elevate themselves to the table of the western nations that invested all their educated classes and wealth into producing the weapons is just wrong. It's theft, intellectual theft, and this needs suppressing for the good of the west and civilisation at large. Places like Yemen, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somali, Eritrea, these places have proved to be thorns in the side of the civilised world. We gave them a chance to govern themselves, then they used this new found experiment to turn on us and become havens for jihad. I'm sorry mate but no good can come of letting these primitive societies have self government when it comes back to bite us. We have professional armies, time to go in and sort out these places once and for all.

Mate thats exactly the kind of thinking that wrecked empires in the first place.

Calling entire nations primitive while talking about ruling millions by drones and robots is fantasy mixed with an unhealthy touch of colonial nostalgia.

You might get a piece at the likes of Netflix door all the same...

A couple of seasons in there at the very least. 

Orby Britain couldn't even hold Afghanistan together in the 19th century, never mind America in the 21st, with all its satellites and precision-guided munitions.

You can topple governments quickly.

The likes of the C.I.A wrote the book on that score.

But you can’t bomb people into permanently accepting foreign rule.

History has already settled that, buddy

And acting like science or nuclear technology belongs genetically to "the West" is nonsense.

Knowledge spreads, that's just civilisation in action.

And empires that try to suppress it generally collapse down to their own arrogance.

[govshill2]

Is there a way out of the Iran threat to cut cables?

Some say Wireless!!

[cherokeetroy]

Mate thats exactly the kind of thinking that wrecked empires in the first place.

Calling entire nations primitive while talking about ruling millions by drones and robots is fantasy mixed with an unhealthy touch of colonial nostalgia.

You might get a piece at the likes of Netflix door all the same...

A couple of seasons in there at the very least. 

Orby Britain couldn't even hold Afghanistan together in the 19th century, never mind America in the 21st, with all its satellites and precision-guided munitions.

You can topple governments quickly.

The likes of the C.I.A wrote the book on that score.

But you can’t bomb people into permanently accepting foreign rule.

History has already settled that, buddy

And acting like science or nuclear technology belongs genetically to "the West" is nonsense.

Knowledge spreads, that's just civilisation in action.

And empires that try to suppress it generally collapse down to their own arrogance.

The irony is that nuclear technology probably wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Iran's contribution of ancient innovations in science and math

[Orby]

Mate thats exactly the kind of thinking that wrecked empires in the first place.

Calling entire nations primitive while talking about ruling millions by drones and robots is fantasy mixed with an unhealthy touch of colonial nostalgia.

You might get a piece at the likes of Netflix door all the same...

A couple of seasons in there at the very least. 

Orby Britain couldn't even hold Afghanistan together in the 19th century, never mind America in the 21st, with all its satellites and precision-guided munitions.

You can topple governments quickly.

The likes of the C.I.A wrote the book on that score.

But you can’t bomb people into permanently accepting foreign rule.

History has already settled that, buddy

And acting like science or nuclear technology belongs genetically to "the West" is nonsense.

Knowledge spreads, that's just civilisation in action.

And empires that try to suppress it generally collapse down to their own arrogance.

We are far more powerful right now than at our last go at Empire. The technology exists to rule the natives without getting our asses burnt. One has to get a little forcefull with these peoples. Far more so than what the allies tried in Afghan hearts and minds nonsense. You got to get at their religion. It's Muslims that need eradicating / re-educating from the nursery school level. Until that happens expect more of the same. I'm now leaning towards full o forced conversions. It may seem a little far fetched and Crusaderesque, but I just can't see another way of solving the Islam problem. I'm convinced the Chinese and USA can see common ground here no doubt Indians Modi will be up for it too. That's the three great powers of the future all on board. If necessary a Berlin type conference to carve the ME up. IDF can take care of trouble makers with the Herons drones etc. No problemo. I just don't see another way into the future without at some point one of these nations going full on nuke and terrorizng the planet. 

Most natives loved being under the yoke of the western nations being honest and frank about it. The mistake was letting some of these natives get educated. At the same time we had the Soviets attacking our way of life in the colonies that had worked great for 100's of years. Without the Soviets turning these newly educated natives into anti colonials we would still have our imperial possessions. Most natives loved being part of our Empire, it was the educated minority that were infiltrated by Soviet ideas of self determination and freedom along with military training and weaponry that ruined it all. The Soviets are gone, Russia is shooting itself in the head and can't offer the same as back then. The rev's are now largely dead and the natives once again look at the wornders we gave them like the wheel, cities, railways, roads, the written word with awe. They acknowledge that we were a force for good, we civilised them and gave them workable economies and medicines / education to improve their lives. Empire bar the educated (brainwashes by Soviets) trouble makers was good for the masses. One day we will have to go back, that day in the ME has come. They can't run the places themselves, these places are hell holes, they need us to civilise them and bring them into the modern world. The natives have proven they are incapable of running the show themselves.

[Orby]

I disagree. The citizens got priced out. 

And that doesn’t change the fact that young kids can still do things right, go to uni or trade school, get a job paying 60k (which is high for a young kid without tons of experience) and still struggle. 

Im not saying we give out free stuff or make welfare states, but certain things need to be addressed like inflation and other variables that make it impossible for young people to start families. 

I could have bought a house in my twenties off a modest career. That is not a possibility for most here in America. Average first time homebuyer is now 40 when it was in the 20’s in the 1990’s. The older generation is more willing to say it’s young people’s fault then help fix the looming depopulation crisis… all while they go out and complain about the plight of white people. It’s doublespeak.

As for Iran, you say diplomacy wouldn’t work but yet there have been deals made on that front. You say bombing is the only way, yet that hasn’t worked and we’re currently looking for a new deal. See the problems in the logic there?

I dunno what you got i the States, but over here we have a 100% bone idle Caucasion native population that will rather spend their days sitting around boozing, doing drugs, eating pizzas, slobbish behaviour, expecting other tax payers to pay for their lifestyles while they collect more 'benefits' (gov't handouts) than the taxpayer can earn in a job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 These slobs have no pride anymore. When my mum was a kid they so broke the mother hung around cafes waiting for people to leave so they could take the leftovers! They still worked, went out worked the fields, ploughed with horses, descended under the Durham North Sea in coal shafts that used pick axes and ponies. They were hardened and never complained. They did what they did to survive, here's the thing.................. Pride! They had pride, if there was no work they'd emigrate or re-locate to get work. We have 800,000 care positions here that native people won't fill, so migrants move here to do an honest days work. It's getting so much worse, millions of people on so called disability as they state they find working gives the Anxiety!!!!!!!!!!!! while having nothing wrong with them except bone idleness of the first class, they get given free cars, free houses, masses of cash! You wouldn't believe it over here, whole swathes of youth expecting a free lifestyle, then those same bone idle good for nothing free loaders moan about the immigrants in rallies waving there union jacks, who only come here to fill the jobs they should be doing. It's all a clustermuck, you wouldn't belive what's happened over here in the past 30 years. A sinking ship for sure. 

On bombing Iran, the trick is to do it properly, wipe out all their electric, gas, power staations, police staions, gov't centres and leadership. All bridges, all roads. All train lines too. All airports while we are at it. You can fight the hearts and minds bollocsk like we did in Iraq and Afghan or do a Soviet invasion of Germany or a Briatin in RSA Boer War and strangle the natives to death. There comes a time when you got to take the gloves off and do the job properly.

[bastion]

We are far more powerful right now than at our last go at Empire. The technology exists to rule the natives without getting our asses burnt. One has to get a little forcefull with these peoples. Far more so than what the allies tried in Afghan hearts and minds nonsense. You got to get at their religion. It's Muslims that need eradicating / re-educating from the nursery school level. Until that happens expect more of the same. I'm now leaning towards full o forced conversions. It may seem a little far fetched and Crusaderesque, but I just can't see another way of solving the Islam problem. I'm convinced the Chinese and USA can see common ground here no doubt Indians Modi will be up for it too. That's the three great powers of the future all on board. If necessary a Berlin type conference to carve the ME up. IDF can take care of trouble makers with the Herons drones etc. No problemo. I just don't see another way into the future without at some point one of these nations going full on nuke and terrorizng the planet. 

Most natives loved being under the yoke of the western nations being honest and frank about it. The mistake was letting some of these natives get educated. At the same time we had the Soviets attacking our way of life in the colonies that had worked great for 100's of years. Without the Soviets turning these newly educated natives into anti colonials we would still have our imperial possessions. Most natives loved being part of our Empire, it was the educated minority that were infiltrated by Soviet ideas of self determination and freedom along with military training and weaponry that ruined it all. The Soviets are gone, Russia is shooting itself in the head and can't offer the same as back then. The rev's are now largely dead and the natives once again look at the wornders we gave them like the wheel, cities, railways, roads, the written word with awe. They acknowledge that we were a force for good, we civilised them and gave them workable economies and medicines / education to improve their lives. Empire bar the educated (brainwashes by Soviets) trouble makers was good for the masses. One day we will have to go back, that day in the ME has come. They can't run the places themselves, these places are hell holes, they need us to civilise them and bring them into the modern world. The natives have proven they are incapable of running the show themselves.

So you want all Muslims exterminated based on your own ignorance?

There's a reason we use the Arabic number system 0 - 9 instead of doing using Roman numerals in Maths and Science - Algebra is named after Al Jabr as Iran and Iraq were the home of maths. Islam kept maths and sciene alive while Europe was in the Dark Ages. Pythagoras, Euclid et al learnt their Maths in Africa and the Middle East before bringing it back to Europe.

 People being a different skin colour or religion doesn't make them any more or less civilised - by all means the regime and militant Islam is a major issue but extremists come in all colours and creeds.