Trump says he bombed Iran

[andy06shake]

Iran 'not a forever war', says US Vice President JD Vance

[Orby]

No amount of bombing will make them hand over the uranium.  The only way to get it is to go in and take it. And that will take a lot of boots on the ground and a lot of casualties.  And that is what Trump has been avoiding like the plague.  That’s why he has relied very heavily on long range standoff weapons up to this point.  

All previous presidents knew this because they listened to their professional military and intelligence analysts. Trump has fired all the competent advisors in the government and just goes on hunches and gut feelings.

Yeah can see where your'e coming from Exeter, yet at the very least Trump is getting a bit more active on taking on the issue. That Biden geezer, also the Omama handing over the dough, from a British perspective they were wimping out on taking on the issue of our time. There is nothing so urgent as preventing the Iranian's from acquiring nukes. Whatever it takes will be worthy of this threat. I'm perplexed that our own nation along with the ||||||||||||||EU won't get involved with the USA and Israeli's in solving this ideological threat to our civilistaion. Unbelievable that other governments don't step in to finish off the Iranian experiment. No good at all can come of letting the Mullahs get their hands on nukes. It's totally insane. We have fully professional armies in the West where nobody is forced to fight. That power needs using asap before it's too late. Hats off from this Brit that Donald and Pete see the urgency of the situation. If it means boots on the ground then professional armies need to go in. Sure there will be many deaths, yet the Mullahs can not be allowed to retain that Uranium. It's whatever it takes moment for the West, just like the Nazis in WW2. If Trump can stop the Mullahs from acquiring nukes then he'll go down as one of the greatest leaders of all time. Our survival depends on him.

[andy06shake]

Yeah can see where your'e coming from Exeter, yet at the very least Trump is getting a bit more active on taking on the issue. That Biden geezer, also the Omama handing over the dough, from a British perspective they were wimping out on taking on the issue of our time. There is nothing so urgent as preventing the Iranian's from acquiring nukes. Whatever it takes will be worthy of this threat. I'm perplexed that our own nation along with the ||||||||||||||EU won't get involved with the USA and Israeli's in solving this ideological threat to our civilistaion. Unbelievable that other governments don't step in to finish off the Iranian experiment. No good at all can come of letting the Mullahs get their hands on nukes. It's totally insane. We have fully professional armies in the West where nobody is forced to fight. That power needs using asap before it's too late. Hats off from this Brit that Donald and Pete see the urgency of the situation. If it means boots on the ground then professional armies need to go in. Sure there will be many deaths, yet the Mullahs can not be allowed to retain that Uranium. It's whatever it takes moment for the West, just like the Nazis in WW2. If Trump can stop the Mullahs from acquiring nukes then he'll go down as one of the greatest leaders of all time. Our survival depends on him.

I get the fear around Iran getting nukes.

But it's worth keeping in mind that this "whatever it takes" logic is exactly how nations stumble into catastrophic wars.

Iraq was sold on the same bill of goods aka "it's existential threat" "we can't wait" "civilisation is at stake" "weapons of mass destruction." 

Turned out to be hokum, and all that served to achieve was thousands dead while empowering Iran in the process.

Preventing nuclear weapons matters, but so does avoiding another endless Middle Eastern disaster fuelled by emotion and apocalyptic rhetoric.

A ground invasion of Iran would make Iraq and Afghanistan look tame by comparison...

[CriticalStinker]

Yeah can see where your'e coming from Exeter, yet at the very least Trump is getting a bit more active on taking on the issue. That Biden geezer, also the Omama handing over the dough, from a British perspective they were wimping out on taking on the issue of our time. There is nothing so urgent as preventing the Iranian's from acquiring nukes. Whatever it takes will be worthy of this threat. I'm perplexed that our own nation along with the ||||||||||||||EU won't get involved with the USA and Israeli's in solving this ideological threat to our civilistaion. Unbelievable that other governments don't step in to finish off the Iranian experiment. No good at all can come of letting the Mullahs get their hands on nukes. It's totally insane. We have fully professional armies in the West where nobody is forced to fight. That power needs using asap before it's too late. Hats off from this Brit that Donald and Pete see the urgency of the situation. If it means boots on the ground then professional armies need to go in. Sure there will be many deaths, yet the Mullahs can not be allowed to retain that Uranium. It's whatever it takes moment for the West, just like the Nazis in WW2. If Trump can stop the Mullahs from acquiring nukes then he'll go down as one of the greatest leaders of all time. Our survival depends on him.

There have been multiple attempts to take care of that threat over the years. I think people just disagree on the methods. 

But alas, there are many dire threats to the west. Poor immigration policy (one where I do agree with Trump), and the birth rate crisis.

Right now there are no western countries replacing their population, all are in decline. That means those cultures will continue to dwindle. And everyone can rip on the young generation all they want, but 60k a year will barely get you rent and enough to put to the side, much less buy a house and start a family.

There are other ways at solving problems than bombing countries. In fact, bombing countries has rarely worked since WWII. It just takes out a loan for future generations to pay off when they’re already barely affording to exists. So there goes the west without any nukes at all.

[Astyanax]

You may root for Iran, I hope they lie in dust and are pissed on by US Marines.

So you're as easily triggered as your opponents. Good to know.

[Astyanax]

This looks more like a wag the dog kinda war.

Yeah, but who exactly is the tail?

[Astyanax]

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When they say it isn't a forever war it means they're not seeing a way out.

[andy06shake]

When they say it isn't a forever war it means they're not seeing a way out.

How long is a piece of string?

[Orby]

I get the fear around Iran getting nukes.

But it's worth keeping in mind that this "whatever it takes" logic is exactly how nations stumble into catastrophic wars.

Iraq was sold on the same bill of goods aka "it's existential threat" "we can't wait" "civilisation is at stake" "weapons of mass destruction." 

Turned out to be hokum, and all that served to achieve was thousands dead while empowering Iran in the process.

Preventing nuclear weapons matters, but so does avoiding another endless Middle Eastern disaster fuelled by emotion and apocalyptic rhetoric.

A ground invasion of Iran would make Iraq and Afghanistan look tame by comparison...

The Iranian's really have been gearing up to produce nukes. No ifs or buts, they've made the progression. Forget the Iraq, Afghan stuff for a moment, imagine iran with nuclear missiles, it's insane, they just can't be trusted as this is ideolgical and a clash in many ways of civilisations. Too much has happened to allow the Iranian's to mposess nukes. If there is no other way then boots on the ground is the way forward. I'm pretty old school mate and I don't believe we should have relinquished part of our Empire when we did. Can't remember if Iran was part of it yet certainly strings were pulled behind the scenes, and the idea that such places be allowed full independence when they threaten our existence is crazy. Re-colonise the region is probably the only way long term to suppress the fundamentaists. I don't believe India, China, or Russia will mind either as long as they are thrown part of the cake.

[Orby]

There have been multiple attempts to take care of that threat over the years. I think people just disagree on the methods. 

But alas, there are many dire threats to the west. Poor immigration policy (one where I do agree with Trump), and the birth rate crisis.

Right now there are no western countries replacing their population, all are in decline. That means those cultures will continue to dwindle. And everyone can rip on the young generation all they want, but 60k a year will barely get you rent and enough to put to the side, much less buy a house and start a family.

There are other ways at solving problems than bombing countries. In fact, bombing countries has rarely worked since WWII. It just takes out a loan for future generations to pay off when they’re already barely affording to exists. So there goes the west without any nukes at all.

Immigration is based on people coming to fill the jobs white people are too bone idle to do mate and prefer to sit on their trackie sagging fat arses playing games machines scoffing Quavers, special brew and fags. They come cuz the natives in Europe are too bone idle to work. Immigration is not a problem, we need them, our native youth are too bone idle to do anything. I'm all for it, my floks got looked after by african blacks from Ghana and Zim in care homes, or home care, they did a great job. I'd just draw the line at muslims, no thank you please. 

So how do you solve the Iranian nuke issue without military means??????????????? Do it like Kim in NK, or pakistan? Nope, they got bem. The only way is to bomb the crap out of Iran till they hand over the uranium. It's so simple, reduce that nation to Germany 45, then invade on all fronts. They won't stand a chance against the IDF, Arab nations, Yanks, plus any other mil that might join in the global necessity.