Trump says he bombed Iran

[govshill2]

People are allowed to criticize Democrats, that's patriotic.

If someone on the right runs and wins on no new wars, lower debt, lower prices, drain the swamp, no more corruption... It's anti American to point out how they're doing many of those things even worse.

Trumps own family is getting government contracts, their crypto foreign investment. We just have to suck that up, if we calmly point it out we must have some sort of a disease for even noticing such things.

Just two years left, let's see what happens, lol

Like what contracts?   Sounds Levitating 

[DBCowboy]

I wouldn't know.

I thought you might be more interested in the actual people that are pushing doom porn to make Trump look bad.

What?  All the media?

When haven't they.

[IDELB2006]

What?  All the media?

Its all the media now?

Good to know.

[IDELB2006]

Just wait for the drone or torpedo attack that will launch the ground invasion

I may not need to wait very long. Trump started a different type of trafficking service.

President Trump said the U.S. Navy will start guiding ships from foreign countries through the Strait of Hormuz from Monday and warned that if Iran tries to disrupt the process the American military will use force.

Axios

[DBCowboy]

Its all the media now?

Good to know.

The media that isn't, is an outlier.

[chr0naut]

We were talking about how that member said "deep rumors" are that Russia provided Iran with nuclear weapons while dunking on people for using one of the largest tanker insurance companies as a source.

It's a clear double standard that has existed on this board and ATS. People will unironically just say "I heard this" without providing anything, get likes, and then everyone will make fun of people for using "fake news" sources.

Look, we can debate a sources claim with other information, and also acknowledge how far downhill legacy media has gone. But it's inconsistent to post very bold claims with "rumors are" while dunking on people for bringing something to the table in terms of tangible claims.

The reality is every "camp" of ideas has proven wrong multiple times throughout the conflict. Our government said the nuclear capabilities were completely obliterated in the summer while claiming they were weeks away before March 1. We've said the Strait would be open multiple times in the first month very soon. 

Members in this very thread dunked on others for saying the strait being closed could be prolonged while continuing to call people panicans for pointing out what kind of waves that could create medium to long term. 

So I don't see how common sense would be take the government at it's word. This isn't new or unique to just this admin. Skepticism is a tried and true practice going back many decades.

Look, I don't want proliferation of WMD's, but the genie is totally out of the bottle.

Anyone who has enough education to know how to use radiation sources for non-weapons uses (medicine, metrology, energy production and probably hundreds of other uses), can also repurpose that knowledge to produce weapons.

That's potentially thousands or tens of thousands of people in every country of the world.

The idea that you can prevent bad guys from getting WMD's by pretending that they are too hard for relatively normal people to create, is fantacist BS. Back in the 50's and 60's that might briefly have been true, but it isn't now.

School-kids have (and still are) messing around with dangerous tech: David Hahn - Wikipedia

Not to mention all the students messing with CRISPR etc.

As far as I can tell, extreme openness and rational, and knowledgeable, on-the-ground policing are probably the best options to control this type of stuff (really, it's a problem that I don't think anyone has a foolproof fix for).

Blowing the shit out of a country doesn't take away the knowledge of how to make really nasty weapons, and it does motivate violent retaliation.

Trump, Israel and every warmongering group in the world aren't protecting anyone in the long term, by killing people and destroying lives in the short term.

The nuclear powers ARE the very problem, not the solution.

[CriticalStinker]

Like what contracts?   Sounds Levitating 

The UAE bought 49% of Trump and Witkoff launched WLFI crypto.

Jared has gotten billions from a few several sovereign wealth funds to manage.

[DBCowboy]

The UAE bought 49% of Trump and Witkoff launched WLFI crypto.

Jared has gotten billions from a few several sovereign wealth funds to manage.

OMG

People made money.

I just made a small pee in my pants.

[CriticalStinker]

OMG

People made money.

I just made a small pee in my pants.

I've seen people imply that many here never criticized former administrations, claiming that many are being hypocritical because they only criticize Trump.

But the thing is, Trump did win twice... So the message clearly resonated with a lot of people, to get rid of DC corruption and drain the swamp. That's what a lot of people wanted to see. 

Hillary made massive amounts off of speaking engagements, the Obama's went on to land a whole bunch of deals for books and shows with big players like Netflix. Hundreds of millions of dollars probably. And a lot of people were mad that they were making money off of those kinds of deals. You have to ask yourself, for people who have connections, are they making large amounts not because of the content, but what they offer behind the scenes?

Let's be honest, no corporate event is actually happy that they paid Hillary hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak. Meeting her or hearing her speak isn't going to motivate you or inspire you. So there's got to be something else, pay for play.

We're at war in the Middle East. The president's son in law isn't part of the government but is doing negotiations with some of the very nations he has financial interest with. I remember the criticism of Hunter Biden, who clearly got a nepotism post at a Ukrainian energy company. But he wasn't officially negotiating on behalf of the US foreign policy, at least not to my knowledge.

These are all bad things. No one is acting like Bush/Obama/Biden were some pinnacles of US history. Yet people use their actions to justify actions now, some of which are far more blatant and in orders of magnitude in billions. 

He's no better than them. His presidency is a direct continuation of US status quo elite governance. He's the Obama of the right... Took politics by storm by offering hope and change and delivered the exact same thing as prior admins, often in more extreme ways.

[chr0naut]

I'm going to screenshot that and save it for the next 2nd Amendment debate you get in on.

Yeah, I have used the words 'infringe' and 'rights'. Often the gun lobby use those same terms, however the language has very specific meanings which aren't what the gun lobby implies they mean.

Please think about the wording I used, and what it actually meant in context. I was not emptily repeating a slogan without cogniszance, as many at the extremes of politics do.

So, please, feel free to capture a screen shot, and use it.

Universal human rights are based upon the essentials for human existence, in all locations, times and situations - they apply universally.

So, the use or ownership of a weapon is not, and cannot be in practice, a universal human right.

It may, fairly arbitrarily, be framed as a legal right in some 'circumstances, times and situations', which are neither essential for human life, nor can the 2nd held to be universal in 'all areas, times and situations' of your own country (the recent gun-lobby reversal of argument against 'carrying' in the ICE justification for shooting mudrder of Alex Pretti, exemplifies the self-contradictory nature of the 2nd in both ethics and in law).

Use or ownership of a weapon, however, can, in the majority of 'times, situations and locations', severely infringe against several human rights.

If the 2nd was intended to arm the public (which I don't think it was), then codifying violent civil disobedience in the very 2nd of the most supreme laws in the land would show-up up the most aggregious stupidity at basis of the USA.