Trump says he bombed Iran

[SteamyAmerican]

I'm not saying they should die I'm saying they put themselves in this position. I don't think you've seen anything other than maybe a couple of one off incidents that probably should be condemned, im saying you are using those rare situations to push a narrative that they are all bad.

I somewhat agree.

Now do the GIs that ain’t being fed appropriately.

Life’s a B. And all the world’s a stage homie.

[bastion]

I agree about the women and children being off limits. The US made a big mistake with the bombing of the girls school. They said it was a result of bad intel and old maps.  Not sure if I believe it or not but you’d think they would’ve caught it.  

War is ugly, not condoning the bombing by any measure, JS

Agreed with that - the decision to strike there was definitely made by DoD's Mavern AI system on satellite data from pre-2013 when the base was renovated and the school ceased to be part of the base as seen by satellite photos showing the new perimiter walls being built in 2013 and again in 2016.

It makes sense that there are going to be some errors and failures to keep intel up to date given the scope of the bombings but no one noticing the intel had been wrong for the last 15 years+ and there being no real human verification the AI system (a simple google or looking it up in a phonebook would have revealed it was a school and no longer a military building) is disturbing and shows complete inompetence of 1000s or people over several administrations.

At present people tasked with verifying targets are correct only have seven seconds to check the target is correct/legal and no errors have been made which is slightly longer than the 3.6 seconds the team had in the very limited trials in Iraq but nowhere near long enough to read it let alone perform an analysis to ensure its not a warcrime or waste of taxpayers money.

There should have been basic checks of the Defence Inteligence Agency target data/list prior to feeding it into Mavern as that would have revealed it was well over a decade out of date. There are/were no checks before launching the missiles to verify AI was functioning correctly and not mslfunctioning or picking targets at random/chosing to strike US/Israeli targets before the missiles were launched as it's the first time US have used AI in combat and Mavern has always had a poor reputation with over 4000 developers leaving when the Pentagon acquired it as it's never been fit for the job

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Iran offers proposal to reopen Strait of Hormuz

TRUMP PULLS PLUG ON IRAN TALKS AS WAR RAGES ON

[IDELB2006]

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb3L8azTUkE]
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmaopwe4qlM]

Iran may get desperate soon. In Trump's words:

“When you have, you know, lines of vast amounts of oil pouring through your system, if for any reason that line is closed because you can’t continue to put it into containers or ships, which has happened to them — they have no ships because of the blockade — what happens is that line explodes from within, both mechanically and in the earth,” Trump told Fox News’ “The Sunday Briefing.”

“It’s something that happens where it just explodes. And they say they only have about three days left before that happens. And when it explodes, you can never, regardless, you can never rebuild it the way it was.”

From the experts:

“Once the tanks are filled, Iran would have to shut down its oil fields, which risks long-term damage to the fields,” said Annika Ganzeveld, the Middle East portfolio manager for the AEI’s Critical Threats Project, previously to The Post.
 
Sudden and long-term halts at oil-production plants risk permanent damage to a fuel reservoir and make it increasingly difficult to restart operations and reach the same level of output as before.
Such a situation would serve as a major blow to Tehran’s already weakened economy.

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Either way, this could be bad news for Iran.

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Iran may get desperate soon. In Trump's words:

From the experts:

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Either way, this could be bad news for Iran.

Unless Iran strikes back.

[IDELB2006]

Unless Iran strikes back.

I think they are limited in what they can do.

Militarily they can't do much to America or Israel.

They could bomb all of there neighbors oil fields. That could harm the worlds oil supply, but does more to sell American oil, than harm to America.

It sounds like it the harm this could do to Iran might take years to fix. Which would reduce there ability to build weapons, enrich uranium, or support terrorists.

The easy fix is for Iran to make a nuclear deal, the strait is opened, and we can resume our proxy wars .

[quintessentone]

I think they are limited in what they can do.

Militarily they can't do much to America or Israel.

They could bomb all of there neighbors oil fields. That could harm the worlds oil supply, but does more to sell American oil, than harm to America.

It sounds like it the harm this could do to Iran might take years to fix. Which would reduce there ability to build weapons, enrich uranium, or support terrorists.

The easy fix is for Iran to make a nuclear deal, the strait is opened, and we can resume our proxy wars .

I've been listening to expert military veterans who say it won't take much to disable US ships in the Strait, just saying.

[IDELB2006]

I've been listening to expert military veterans who say it won't take much to disable US ships in the Strait, just saying.

That's a possibility, but if it was that easy Iran could have done it already.

It's also possible the US could continue to sink Iranian ships or oil barges with or without a physical presence in the strait.

There aren't many great choices, but this one could work without needing to fire endless missiles at them, or god forbid an actual invasion.

[quintessentone]

That's a possibility, but if it was that easy Iran could have done it already.

It's also possible the US could continue to sink Iranian ships or oil barges with or without a physical presence in the strait.

There aren't many great choices, but this one could work without needing to fire endless missiles at them, or god forbid an actual invasion.

Strangely, Iran is seeking advice/help from Russia and a few other nations, where Russia said it will take possession of Iran's enriched uranium stockpile but Iran still insists it is for civilian purposes. 

The US sinking Iranian ships and/or oil barges may only serve to push Iran to retaliate and from what I've read of Iranian drone warfare, those US aircraft carriers will be easy targets.

This is a very bad situation.

US military veterans protesting Iran war.

[SteamyAmerican]

I'm not saying they should die I'm saying they put themselves in this position. I don't think you've seen anything other than maybe a couple of one off incidents that probably should be condemned, im saying you are using those rare situations to push a narrative that they are all bad.

No. Not rare.

And each situation is dictated by its actions on behalf of those involved. Both sides.

Trust me. I’d extol anyone or any military force that refrained from civilian casualties, or rather more so if they actively tried to not harm anyone not labeled a combatant or enemy.

This isn’t the case over there atm. Everyone appears to be fair game. And the bar is low and ever-changing on engagement and the manner done so.

I have no narrative to push. I’m just calling it as I sees it.