Trump says he bombed Iran

[ReturnofBroccoli]

If you are anti-Trump/Pro-Iran, then you can manipulate the markets to punish regular folks so they will vote differently.

You can do that from any side. This is getting old.

[RazorV66]

Firstly, I would like to point out that none of them have joined in the war - none of them have aligned themselves with either side, or sent their military to police the situation.

People always complain if prices go up, and they have every right to.

Most countries still have some degree of reliance on oil. The change is not complete yet, and even after we cut reliance for energy, there are the agrichemicals and manufacturing industries that rely on oil derived chemicals and lubricants.

The Big 3 automakers here in the USA have scaled back immensely on the electric vehicle bullshit.

It's just not viable on a large scale.

It's a niche market and it will never not be a niche market.

Outrageous prices for the EVs and external factors such as cold weather killing the batteries will never be solved except maybe 100-200 years in the future.

[DBCowboy]

Then next time you make a vague comment like that I will take it as partisan because ya know....

Common sense

Bullshit.

The sun rises in the east.  FACT.

Those that want Trump to fail and lose this war; Pro-Iranian, anti-Trump.  FACT

Fear-mongering to influence voters and normal American public with false reports about food and fuel shortages: PARTISAN and anti-Trump.  FACT.

These aren't "muh truths" or opinions.

These are logical, common sense facts.

[DBCowboy]

No, it's not.  

The factual observations are coming from the experts in each of the fields who keep track on a daily basis of what the war is doing to the world's demand and supply of oil, natural gas, fertilizer, sulfuric acid, aluminum, and so on.  

You aren't one of those experts, and neither am I, but I trust them much more than I trust your shoot-from-the-hip statements.  

For example:  "When Iran bombed two aluminum smelters in the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain late last month, it took out roughly 3 million metric tons of yearly aluminum capacity from the global market in the span of a couple of days. The sites belonged to Emirates Global Aluminium and Aluminium Bahrain, two of the largest smelters in the Middle East, and represented roughly half of the total primary aluminum production in the region, which accounts for over 20% of the global non-Chinese supply.   Aluminum prices jumped as a result, recording a surge of over 11% as of April 16 on the London Metal Exchange. That’s the highest price since 2022, when Russia, one of the major global producers of primary aluminum, invaded Ukraine."

https://www.latitudemedia.com/news/why-t...m-strikes/

"In 2024, up to 30% of global fertilizer trade passed through the Strait of Hormuz from the Persian Gulf to export markets around the world, as well as an estimated 20% of liquified natural gas (LNG), a key fertilizer feedstock, and 27% of globally traded oil. Now, with Iran limiting shipping through this critical maritime corridor in response to attacks by the United States and Israel, prices have risen sharply across energy and fertilizer markets. Meanwhile, attacks by both sides in the conflict have damaged production sites and export hubs including Raw Laffan Industrial City in Qatar (LNG) and Iran's Kharg Island (oil). Additional attacks would further reduce supplies."

https://www.ifpri.org/blog/the-iran-wars...roduction/

The industrial processes that supply all of these commodities cannot be turned off and on instantly.  If the war ended today, there would still be many months of worldwide shortages and economic disruption before the world economy could get back to normal.  Most of the experts I pay attention to say it would continue at least through the end of the year.  Remember when the COVID pandemic shut down the world economy in 2020 and the vaccine came out around the first of 2021 and then the economy suddenly came back to life?  The recovery from that disruption is what sparked the massive worldwide inflation that peaked in 2022.  It didn't really come back to pre-COVID levels until 2024.

*yawn*

Moar fear-mongering.

[DBCowboy]

You can do that from any side. This is getting old.

So you agree with me that this is what they are doing.

Nice.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

If you are anti-Trump/Pro-Iran, then you can manipulate the markets to punish regular folks so they will vote differently.

Who's voting? Iranians? You mean the Iranian market? Whose manipulating it? 

My comment was on the back and forth blockade of The Strait of Hormuz and its marked affect on stopping 95% of Iran's imports from getting in. And the supply/demand issues of their own domestic marketplace that resulted from it. 

Do you have a comment on that?

Seriously, what's the non sequitur for?

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Bullshit.

The sun rises in the east.  FACT.

Those that want Trump to fail and lose this war; Pro-Iranian, anti-Trump.  FACT

Fear-mongering to influence voters and normal American public with false reports about food and fuel shortages: PARTISAN and anti-Trump.  FACT.

These aren't "muh truths" or opinions.

These are logical, common sense facts.

You took your own words out of context, nice try.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

So you agree with me that this is what they are doing.

Nice.

I think every businessman is doing it, they would be foolish not to.

[DBCowboy]

Who's voting? You mean the Iranian market? Whose manipulating it? 

My comment was on the blockade of The Strait of Hormuz and its marked affect on blocking 95% of Iran's imports, and their own domestic marketplace. 

Do you have a comment on that?

Seriously, what's the non sequitur for?

In our history, say just back 100 years, how fekking long have we had to rely on the Hormuz Strait to survive?

Is the blocking of the Strait denying you food, shelter, medicine?

How about oxygen or water?  Does it only come from Iran?

You are fear-mongering.

You are being partisan.

Your bias is showing.

All I'm doing to posting common sense and facts, not truths, not "muh truths", but facts.

Indisputable.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

In our history, say just back 100 years, how fekking long have we had to rely on the Hormuz Strait to survive?

Is the blocking of the Strait denying you food, shelter, medicine?

How about oxygen or water?  Does it only come from Iran?

You are fear-mongering.

You are being partisan.

Your bias is showing.

All I'm doing to posting common sense and facts, not truths, not "muh truths", but facts.

Indisputable.

Who said anything about OUR plight?

I just ordered Uber to not have to leave. My life is first world all the way, and my biggest problem is hoping the person doesn't leave my order in the lobby again..

That's like a non-sequitur plus now.

So let me ask you to clarify the "fear mongering." 

Is the "fear-mongering" over AMERICA running out of food or IRAN running out of food?

Everything I've read that is even close to humanitarian fear mongering is talking about IRANIAN shortages. And pressuring Trump to consider THAT moving forward. A Geneva convention type thing. 

Who the hell is dumb enough to think The Strait of Hormuz blockade is going to hurt American food staples? People that rely on saffron?

I think you're argument is over in a attempted drift tangent again....