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(03-28-2026, 01:21 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Hell, we can zoom in to just the last week.
We've declared victory multiple times, while also issuing a 48 hour deadline for the strait to be open before we hit Iran's power plants. Then we extended it five days, then another ten. In that time, multiple sources and officials from Iran have said there are no negotiations. The caveat to that is I don't trust Iranian officials to be truthful, and then there is the reality much of the leadership has been killed, so it's possible there are different factions trying different things.
So we have our admin who has lied multiple times, and an ideological extremist dictatorship, neither we can fully trust. Then we look at the actions... The Iranians turned back ships including Chinese vessels and fired on a Thai tanker. We had the Israelis strike some infrastructure in the past few days.
To me, I think it's clear that if there is a diplomatic talk going on right now, it's far from serious, and may not even be the players who can enact it in Iran... Plus Israel would have to agree to it too.
Also, regime change doesn't even appear to be on the table, which is what our admin was talking about and half of this board. Hell, some members even believed they knew who the next leader would be when the regime fell, and are now saying things are going better than expected. It's moving the goalposts and nothing more. That's why I asked people what they thought the objectives were weeks ago so we could have a point of reference as things progressed.
The thing I see here from certain members are total strawman arguments, calling anyone who disagrees with Trump's 'superior' tactics, terrorist supporters or anti-American.
Just yesterday we had this...
https://www.rawstory.com/erik-prince-iran/
Quote:Blackwater founder Erik Prince revealed that he warned President Donald Trump against going to war in Iran.
At the Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, in Texas on Friday, Prince had a sobering message about Operation Epic Fury.
"I counseled as loud as possible against doing this in the first place," he explained. "We face an extremely difficult challenge. The Iranians learned their lesson from what happened to Iraq. Decapitation of the leadership structure of the Iraqi army. The Iranians have done the exact same thing. There's 31 different military districts. All clear direction given to those 31 commanders is to continue to wage war against whoever they can with whatever they can."
"The only person that can countermand that order is the supreme leader," he continued. "And we've killed the supreme leader now, his father, his wife, his sister, other family members in an ancient society — in an ancient society that understands blood oath."
Prince noted that Iran would "burn it down" if the U.S. tried to deploy troops in the country.
"If they try to put boots on the ground, force the Strait of Hormuz, you will see imagery of burning American warships in the next couple of weeks," he advised. "And I don't think people are really prepared for that."
"So I would, look, Iran doesn't have an independence day because they've not really been conquered since Alexander the Great," Prince added. "For all the talk of regime change, there's never been a real preparation of an armed opposition inside the country. And a lot of ways to do that from the periphery that doesn't require U.S. boots."
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(03-28-2026, 01:30 PM)Kurokage Wrote: The thing I see here from certain members are total strawman arguments, calling anyone who disagrees with Trump's 'superior' tactics, terrorist supporters or anti-American.
Just yesterday we had this...
https://www.rawstory.com/erik-prince-iran/
Yep. America hating lefty commies.
It's what ruined ATS.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(03-28-2026, 12:26 PM)quintessentone Wrote: The American people are out in the streets giving their take on this war.
"More than 3,100 "No Kings" demonstrations are taking place across the United States on Saturday, March 28, 2026, with organizers expecting over 9 million participants to join the largest single-day protest in U.S. history.
These nationwide rallies are driven by opposition to President Donald Trump's policies, the war with Iran, skyrocketing gas prices, and federal immigration enforcement crackdowns. While the flagship event is held at the Minnesota State Capitol in St. Paul featuring performances by Bruce Springsteen, Joan Baez, and Jane Fonda, major demonstrations are also occurring in New York, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., and Chicago."
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"Americans abroad showed up for protests in cities around the world, including: London; Tokyo; Amsterdam; Rome; Barcelona; Porto, Portugal; and Sydney, Australia. More protests are scheduled to take place across major cities in Latin America today."
https://indianexpress.com/article/world/...-10606852/
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"No more blood for oil."
"Protesters across the U.S. and internationally on March 28, 2026, are using signs with slogans such as "No Kings, No War", "Stop the War on Iran", and "War for profit, our troops are not for sale" to condemn the administration's actions in Iran and other conflicts."
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/28/us/no...ideos.html
Is Iran or China funding this?
You must develop the ability to be disliked in order to free yourself from the prison of other people's opinions.
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(03-28-2026, 12:20 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I was responding to your point about Middle Eastern countries being better allies than Europeans. You brought that up. I showed how Europe accounted for over 50% of foreign investment over the last ten years.
I think it's odd you're implying I was the source of the drift, in response, especially when my first line was:
Yay! We want to argue about semantics and are even further removed from the actual war.
But yeah Im multitasking and busy AF today, so for brevity, my filters are turned off.
Im not trying to be an ass, Ive been told that's just one of my natural talents.
I'll talk about the ancillary BS if, occasionally, we can talk about the war on the ground.
For instance, last night I heard of an attack on PSA, supposedly 3 tankers damaged according to a decent source on Discord, wanted to check here, verify, and discuss, but it was a full-blown bipolar opinion discussion on politics and why it's a cover-up. Stuff we talk about 1000 times on dozens of threads.
Not that it's not important too, just during wars thats my focus, I just need to talk about the actual war elsewhere, it doesn't resonate with you and many others here either.
I like James Dunnigan's Dirty Little Secrets war books, and here we get Tolstoy's War and Peace treatment.
Looks like Zelenskyy realizes he needs new allies too, ones that aren't attached to Putin's energy nipples
https://discord.com/channels/11081384166...4071134362
Quote:ZelenskyyUa
As a result of the war we are going through, and because our enemy is extensively using the Iranian “Shahed” drone technology, we have developed our own system.
And today, we are sharing what we have developed with countries in the Middle East. Ukraine is highly regarded for this. We have shifted the geopolitical landscape.
Everyone understands that Russia is sharing intelligence with Iran. And everyone understands that, in terms of expertise, no one today can help the way Ukraine can.
We are discussing several areas to ensure mutually beneficial cooperation. The first area is weapons, production, exchange of experience, and the exchange of resources that may not be available in one country or another. The second track concerns long-term energy cooperation.
We're talking about ten-year partnerships. We have already signed a relevant agreement with Saudi Arabia, and we have also signed a ten-year agreement with Qatar.
Over these ten years, we will focus on co-production, building manufacturing facilities—production lines in Ukraine and in these countries. We will also address, for example, how to supply a country with diesel in the event of shortages and major global challenges. Yesterday, I reached an agreement on diesel supplies for at least one year. From there, it becomes a matter for our companies and the local companies.
From my conversation with journalists (1/3).
Source
https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2037942291487236236
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(03-28-2026, 02:03 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: Is Iran or China funding this?
Funding what? Ordinary Americans voicing their protests?
Do you really think they are all getting paid to do so?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(03-28-2026, 01:30 PM)Kurokage Wrote: The thing I see here from certain members are total strawman arguments, calling anyone who disagrees with Trump's 'superior' tactics, terrorist supporters or anti-American.
Just yesterday we had this...
https://www.rawstory.com/erik-prince-iran/
Even more ridiculous is when they throw out the, " if you're anti-Trump that means you're anti-American!" BS
Liberals tried that crap & they got clapped back with the infamous, " F*** Joe Biden!" chant
Smear campaigns backfire
Partisan hacks never learn
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(03-28-2026, 02:06 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Funding what? Ordinary Americans voicing their protests?
Do you really think they are all getting paid to do so?
It's a 3 Billion Dollar Industry Funded by Soros and Communist Organizations
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(03-28-2026, 11:53 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: Homosexuality and transgender behavior are illegal in Saudi Arabia, with punishments including the death penalty, imprisonment, fines, and severe punishments like flogging. While enforcement varies, LGBTQ+ individuals face extreme risks, including torture and community violence, and the country's legal system is based on strict interpretations of Sharia law.
Let’s not forget what happened in America only 11 years ago.
And some religious groups/individuals are still fighting it.
Homosexuality is legal nationwide in the United States
, with same-sex marriage, adoption, and relationship recognition recognized in all 50 states following the 2015 Supreme Court ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges. While LGBTQ+ rights are robust in many states, protections against discrimination in housing, employment, and public accommodations vary significantly by region.
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(03-28-2026, 12:42 PM)worldstarcountry Wrote: too busy for that nonsense, im going to enjoy the beach instead. Peace out!
If I had a beach option for a pastime, I'd post a lot less on DI too
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(03-28-2026, 11:07 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: There is the matter of trust
When the current person in office is a habitual liar
And grifter
Scepticism, criticism and overall lack of trust is going to be an issue
Trust no one, it's easier haha
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