Trump says he bombed Iran

[SteamyAmerican]

  Not even close to being true.
But think whatever you like.  I really don't care.
The topic is the war in Iran.
And once again I'll state it .... inserting Epstein into everything is ridiculous.  (and tiresome)

Oh?

Because it seems Epstein inserted himself into everything and everyone.

So until that gap around 9/11 and the files in that timeframe are released, it seems that where we are today in the U.S. may very well stem from some of this very perverse connections and relationships he had.

Including Trump and the elites in American & Israeli society and government.

[andy06shake]

As for the actual topic of this thread ...

This is messy ... 

USA Today Here

Trump gave Iran 48 hours to open the strait.
Otherwise he'd hit their electric grid etc.
He said that in a hot headed frustration I'm sure.
Now he says talks are going well and that he's postponing the hit.
I think the fact that Iran refused to back down and instead 
threatened to hit back is what is making him back down.

Seems to me it's less that Trump backed down because Iran stood firm.

And more that both sides are attempting to signal strength.

But they step back the moment diplomacy becomes useful.

And the number of troops being moved into the region.

Does not exactly send a positive signal, imho.

[FlyersFan]

Because it seems Epstein inserted himself into everything and everyone.

.. and yet the war in Iran has nothing to do with him.   
It is it's own problem.

[CriticalStinker]

As for the actual topic of this thread ...

This is messy ... 

USA Today Here

Trump gave Iran 48 hours to open the strait.
Otherwise he'd hit their electric grid etc.
He said that in a hot headed frustration I'm sure.
Now he says talks are going well and that he's postponing the hit.
I think the fact that Iran refused to back down and instead 
threatened to hit back is what is making him back down.

All the reports I’m seeing is that Iranian sources are denying any talks exist, direct or indirect. 

That said it’s hard to confirm for sure, I don’t know how official Iranian channels or media works.

I think Trump has proven many times though that he’s not above saying something just to move the markets even if he pivots or it’s proven to be a bluff shortly after.

[andy06shake]

All the reports I’m seeing is that Iranian sources are denying any talks exist, direct or indirect. 

That said it’s hard to confirm for sure, I don’t know how official Iranian channels or media works.

I think Trump has proven many times though that he’s not above saying something just to move the markets even if he pivots or it’s proven to be a bluff shortly after.

Look where he is moving the troops...

I mean, there is a clear military buildup.

[CriticalStinker]

Look where he is moving the troops...

I mean, there is a clear military buildup.

Not to mention we’ve struck in the middle of the talks before “deadlines” before.

I believe there is a classic saying for this…



The American people should also take note of that. There have been countless bold faced lies throughout this conflict.

We obliterated their program. We’ve won this war ten times. Iran is running out of missiles. We’re in talks to end the conflict.

Im sure there is no way to quantify the amount of money people have lost by buying stocks on “good news”, or the amount of money people made front running it because they knew a statement was coming.

Each week the market drops and oil goes up, they chum the water with exaggerations or lies to try and slow the bleeding.

[FlyersFan]

All the reports I’m seeing is that Iranian sources are denying any talks exist, direct or indirect. 

I tend to think that is true.   When I read the article I didn't believe Trump when he said that 'talks are going well'.  I think that someone informed him of the mess that would happen if Iran did what they are threatening to do.  My guess ... Scott Bessent.   He seems to be the one to reel Trump back in when he has emotional reactions that affect the market and other things.

[Oldcarpy2]

I don't believe him, but I wonder who there is to talk to.

[quintessentone]

I don't believe him, but I wonder who there is to talk to.

I wonder the same thing after the USA attacked Iran in the middle of previous talks which was being mediated by Oman officials. The trust is gone, so how can there be talks happening?

[andy06shake]

I don't believe him, but I wonder who there is to talk to.

It's one of the main reasons it can be a really bad idea to obliterate and slaughter the leaders and top tier of the command structure.

When there is nobody left with the proper authority to orchestrate the war, or engage in diplomacy with any sort of legitimacy. 

Thats a problem...